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GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND
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g***@gmail.com
2014-09-27 22:19:04 UTC
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Among the alternative theories of the Simpson case is one that believes
that the intended target of the crime was not Nicole, but Ron Goldman.
This is based on certain coincidental facts in Ron's background that
could cause a person to suspect that forces in the underworld were
motivated to kill him for some reason, but there is no specific causal
evidence showing that a particular person acted to implement such a
plan. Since I believe that there was an organized crime connection to
the Bundy murders, such discussions interest me, somewhat.
Carol, my friend in Kansas, knows of my interest, sent me some articles
she collected from the internet, and asked me to evaluate them. A
review of the material and my conclusion follows.
RON GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND: At the time he died, Ron Goldman (according
to the coroner's report) was a 29 year old white male, 5'9" tall, 171
pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair, with a tattoo on his right shoulder.
His date of birth was 7/2/65, which makes him "almost 29 years old" at
the time he died.
Sheila Weller says that by Christmas 1993, Goldman had come to L.A.
from Chicago, and was hanging out with two other guys of his age at "the
wall" at Starbuck's coffee shop in Brentwood. At a point in life when
many others had already established a career, these had "starter jobs,"
waiter, gym trainer, courier,... And, they were all looking for their
"big break," that they knew from folk lore could come from a friendly
contact with someone rich or celebrated, and probably older than
themselves. In the spring of 1994 Nicole fraternized with these young
men, but with Goldman least. According to court transcripts, Goldman
landed a waiter's job at Mezzaluna in February 1994, and from other
sources we believe that Michael Nigg, a contemporary of Goldman's
without a known occupation, but lots of money, got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna.
MARVIN GLASS: According to the internet source
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5244/whoknew.html) the greatest
suspicion centers not on Ron Goldman as the object of the crime, but his
father, Fred Goldman. The concept begins with a colorful Chicago figure
who died in 1997, Marvin Glass. Originally a prominent Chicago lawyer,
Glass drifted into associations with Colombian mob figures, and was
accused in the mid-eighties of being involved with his drug-dealer
clients, acting as a middleman for $100-million
marijuana-and-cocaine-smuggling ring (money laundering), then collecting
even more money to defend his friends after they were busted. He was
also accused of having offered $2,500 to have his ex-partner shot and
killed.
During Glass's trial, his wife, Patti, was a faithful presence, but
once he was convicted she divorced Marvin, and took up with Fred
Goldman. Glass was sentenced to eight years in prison on July 17, 1986,
and Patti married Fred Goldman on February 21, 1987. If that was not
enough to ruin Marvin's outlook, shortly before the trial he was
involved in a traffic accident, and in the process of putting him back
together, the hospital used tainted blood; poor Marvin was diagnosed
with AIDS, and in those days that was an eventual death sentence. There
is much speculation, but no direct evidence, that Glass was unhappy with
his situation, and angry at Fred Goldman for depriving him of his wife.
According to this theory, Glass induced his mob associates to murder
Fred Goldman's son, Ron, as a way to exact revenge from the senior for
stealing his wife. (The idea is compelling for followers of this theory
because the June 1994 Bundy murders coincide with the end of Glass's
"official" eight year sentence, even though Glass actually served only a
little over two years.)
The main problem with this idea is its obliqueness. The usual way for
mobsters to exact revenge is to kill the principal, especially if he is
undefended, as Fred Goldman was. I can not recall hearing another story
in which a mobster killed the child of man, rather than the man himself
in such circumstances. Then, there is also the lack of corroborating
indication. It is simply EXPECTED that Glass might have had a grudge
against Goldman. It is also possible that Glass was grateful that
Goldman would take care of a woman (Patti) that he could no longer look
after. Many motives could be ascribed, but none are indicated in the
record.
RON GOLDMAN'S DREAMS: In another part of this consideration that Ron
might have been the target, the contradiction is pointed out between his
dreams and his reality. His reality is described as, "In 1994 Ron
Goldman has proven himself to be a failure. He is a Hollywood wannabe
actor, without a SAG card; a wannabe model, without an agent; unable to
pay his parking tickets, his driver's license was revoked - yet in
blatant disregard for the law, he drove borrowed cars; living beyond his
visible means, he filed bankruptcy..."
Certainly we would say of such a person that he had unpromising
prospects. Nonetheless, it was his ambition to open a disco, club, or
restaurant, and some of these dreams were so detailed as to actually
include designs and prototype policies. From this, the theorists
conclude, "... he had access to hundreds of thousand necessary to build
an upscale restaurant." If Ron was dreaming beyond his means, he would
not be the first man to do so. In fact, it is rather common, and leads
many people to play the lottery or take other long-shot measures to make
their dreams come true. In the Brentwood scene, the folklore is rich
with the possibility that a young man may "get his big break" out of
nowhere, and that by being nice to the right person, his dreams can come
true.
It is certainly not warranted to believe that because there was a huge
disconnect between Ron's dreams and his reality that thereby he must
have been knowingly involved with underworld figures or their projects.
In the place of Brentwood, and with Ron's circumstances, it is much more
likely to think he was scheming to get his "big break" in the usual
Brentwood way. By being nice to a rich (relatively) and well connected
woman.
RON'S FRIENDS: It is also claimed that Ron must have been active with
the underworld because some people he knew appear to have had an
involvement. Most often mentioned are,
* Michael Nigg, the high living friend who got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna. Nigg was shot and killed on September 9, 1995 by a gunman
who had a getaway car and driver.
* Brett Cantor, Ron's friend and record company owner who died of stab
wounds and a slashed throat at his Brentwood home on July 30, 1993.
From this, it can be reasonably concluded that Ron was aware of an
underworld presence in the Brentwood neighborhood, as he probably also
knew of an underworld reality in Chicago, from where he had come. (Just
from knowing a thumbnail biography of his step-mother, Patti (Glass)
Goldman, Ron probably took the reality of the underworld as a fact of
life.) But, having a friend that is affiliated with gangsters does not
make one a gangster himself. There is not any indication that Ron
worked with or had any explicit understandings with gangsters to do
illegal things. As far as the public record indicates, his criminal
history consists of unpaid parking tickets.
OTHER MOB CONNECTIONS: During the criminal trial (on March 23, 1995)
the press took note of the fact that Denise Brown, the victim's sister,
was being squired by Tony "The Animal" Fiato, a mob enforcer and FBI
informant, and that was believed to be part of a long-lasting and close
relationship. It is believed that Fiato worked for Joey Ippolito,
second generation Mafia and successor to Myer Lansky. Ippolito moved to
Southern California in 1988 and opened Cent'Anni, a fashionable Italian
restaurant in Malibu. It has been claimed that at one time A.C.
Cowlings, Simpson's very close friend, worked for Ippolito as a
bodyguard. The internet article hints of an underworld rivalry: Marvin
Glass (and hence Patti) had connections to Colombian drug sources,
whereas Denise had connections to the Mafia. According to the theory
this rivalry could have come to a focus in the Bundy murders. But, this
is an entirely diffuse connection, and there is no vague (much less
explicit) reason to think that the rivalry erupted in this crime. If
there is no other reason to doubt this idea, one victim was from one
side of the rivalry, and the other victim was from the other side.
There is another indication of gangster methods associated with the
crime. Faye Resnick, Nicole's close friend at the end, claims that
shortly after the murders she suffered a break-in during which her
diaries of the period before the crime were stolen. Jennifer Ameli, a
West Los Angeles therapist, who counseled both Nicole and Ron in the
spring of 1994, suffered burglaries in which her records were stolen.
These crimes are suggestive of efforts to cover up some other connection
to the Bundy murders than Simpson himself.
CONCLUSION: From the foregoing, there is no persuasive indication that
the Bundy murders were undertaken specifically to kill Goldman, whether
by professional gangsters or anybody else.
However, this review does makes it appear that there was some mob
presence in Westside L.A. in 1994, and that the victims of the crime,
and the families and friends, were familiar with the reality of the
underworld, and probably their ways. We would not be surprised,
therefore, if people like Nicole and Ron might have had associations
with people they realized might be mobsters. And, if they thought that
those contacts were innocent, they may have believed that as long as
they themselves did not break any laws, they were safe. This very
gentle association of the victims with mobsters does seem quite possible
to me.
Dick Wagner * Van Nuys, CA (9/20/99) NG_584
Did Fred Goldman know Jay Sebring? His dead ringer attended Sebrings funeral and Sebring also had drug ties with mafia people. http://mansonresearcher.tumblr.com/post/98340699524/fred-goldman-ron-goldmans-dad-look-a-like-at-jay
JW
2015-03-24 03:33:53 UTC
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Among the alternative theories of the Simpson case is one that believes
that the intended target of the crime was not Nicole, but Ron Goldman.
This is based on certain coincidental facts in Ron's background that
could cause a person to suspect that forces in the underworld were
motivated to kill him for some reason, but there is no specific causal
evidence showing that a particular person acted to implement such a
plan. Since I believe that there was an organized crime connection to
the Bundy murders, such discussions interest me, somewhat.
Carol, my friend in Kansas, knows of my interest, sent me some articles
she collected from the internet, and asked me to evaluate them. A
review of the material and my conclusion follows.
RON GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND: At the time he died, Ron Goldman (according
to the coroner's report) was a 29 year old white male, 5'9" tall, 171
pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair, with a tattoo on his right shoulder.
His date of birth was 7/2/65, which makes him "almost 29 years old" at
the time he died.
Sheila Weller says that by Christmas 1993, Goldman had come to L.A.
from Chicago, and was hanging out with two other guys of his age at "the
wall" at Starbuck's coffee shop in Brentwood. At a point in life when
many others had already established a career, these had "starter jobs,"
waiter, gym trainer, courier,... And, they were all looking for their
"big break," that they knew from folk lore could come from a friendly
contact with someone rich or celebrated, and probably older than
themselves. In the spring of 1994 Nicole fraternized with these young
men, but with Goldman least. According to court transcripts, Goldman
landed a waiter's job at Mezzaluna in February 1994, and from other
sources we believe that Michael Nigg, a contemporary of Goldman's
without a known occupation, but lots of money, got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna.
MARVIN GLASS: According to the internet source
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5244/whoknew.html) the greatest
suspicion centers not on Ron Goldman as the object of the crime, but his
father, Fred Goldman. The concept begins with a colorful Chicago figure
who died in 1997, Marvin Glass. Originally a prominent Chicago lawyer,
Glass drifted into associations with Colombian mob figures, and was
accused in the mid-eighties of being involved with his drug-dealer
clients, acting as a middleman for $100-million
marijuana-and-cocaine-smuggling ring (money laundering), then collecting
even more money to defend his friends after they were busted. He was
also accused of having offered $2,500 to have his ex-partner shot and
killed.
During Glass's trial, his wife, Patti, was a faithful presence, but
once he was convicted she divorced Marvin, and took up with Fred
Goldman. Glass was sentenced to eight years in prison on July 17, 1986,
and Patti married Fred Goldman on February 21, 1987. If that was not
enough to ruin Marvin's outlook, shortly before the trial he was
involved in a traffic accident, and in the process of putting him back
together, the hospital used tainted blood; poor Marvin was diagnosed
with AIDS, and in those days that was an eventual death sentence. There
is much speculation, but no direct evidence, that Glass was unhappy with
his situation, and angry at Fred Goldman for depriving him of his wife.
According to this theory, Glass induced his mob associates to murder
Fred Goldman's son, Ron, as a way to exact revenge from the senior for
stealing his wife. (The idea is compelling for followers of this theory
because the June 1994 Bundy murders coincide with the end of Glass's
"official" eight year sentence, even though Glass actually served only a
little over two years.)
The main problem with this idea is its obliqueness. The usual way for
mobsters to exact revenge is to kill the principal, especially if he is
undefended, as Fred Goldman was. I can not recall hearing another story
in which a mobster killed the child of man, rather than the man himself
in such circumstances. Then, there is also the lack of corroborating
indication. It is simply EXPECTED that Glass might have had a grudge
against Goldman. It is also possible that Glass was grateful that
Goldman would take care of a woman (Patti) that he could no longer look
after. Many motives could be ascribed, but none are indicated in the
record.
RON GOLDMAN'S DREAMS: In another part of this consideration that Ron
might have been the target, the contradiction is pointed out between his
dreams and his reality. His reality is described as, "In 1994 Ron
Goldman has proven himself to be a failure. He is a Hollywood wannabe
actor, without a SAG card; a wannabe model, without an agent; unable to
pay his parking tickets, his driver's license was revoked - yet in
blatant disregard for the law, he drove borrowed cars; living beyond his
visible means, he filed bankruptcy..."
Certainly we would say of such a person that he had unpromising
prospects. Nonetheless, it was his ambition to open a disco, club, or
restaurant, and some of these dreams were so detailed as to actually
include designs and prototype policies. From this, the theorists
conclude, "... he had access to hundreds of thousand necessary to build
an upscale restaurant." If Ron was dreaming beyond his means, he would
not be the first man to do so. In fact, it is rather common, and leads
many people to play the lottery or take other long-shot measures to make
their dreams come true. In the Brentwood scene, the folklore is rich
with the possibility that a young man may "get his big break" out of
nowhere, and that by being nice to the right person, his dreams can come
true.
It is certainly not warranted to believe that because there was a huge
disconnect between Ron's dreams and his reality that thereby he must
have been knowingly involved with underworld figures or their projects.
In the place of Brentwood, and with Ron's circumstances, it is much more
likely to think he was scheming to get his "big break" in the usual
Brentwood way. By being nice to a rich (relatively) and well connected
woman.
RON'S FRIENDS: It is also claimed that Ron must have been active with
the underworld because some people he knew appear to have had an
involvement. Most often mentioned are,
* Michael Nigg, the high living friend who got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna. Nigg was shot and killed on September 9, 1995 by a gunman
who had a getaway car and driver.
* Brett Cantor, Ron's friend and record company owner who died of stab
wounds and a slashed throat at his Brentwood home on July 30, 1993.
From this, it can be reasonably concluded that Ron was aware of an
underworld presence in the Brentwood neighborhood, as he probably also
knew of an underworld reality in Chicago, from where he had come. (Just
from knowing a thumbnail biography of his step-mother, Patti (Glass)
Goldman, Ron probably took the reality of the underworld as a fact of
life.) But, having a friend that is affiliated with gangsters does not
make one a gangster himself. There is not any indication that Ron
worked with or had any explicit understandings with gangsters to do
illegal things. As far as the public record indicates, his criminal
history consists of unpaid parking tickets.
OTHER MOB CONNECTIONS: During the criminal trial (on March 23, 1995)
the press took note of the fact that Denise Brown, the victim's sister,
was being squired by Tony "The Animal" Fiato, a mob enforcer and FBI
informant, and that was believed to be part of a long-lasting and close
relationship. It is believed that Fiato worked for Joey Ippolito,
second generation Mafia and successor to Myer Lansky. Ippolito moved to
Southern California in 1988 and opened Cent'Anni, a fashionable Italian
restaurant in Malibu. It has been claimed that at one time A.C.
Cowlings, Simpson's very close friend, worked for Ippolito as a
bodyguard. The internet article hints of an underworld rivalry: Marvin
Glass (and hence Patti) had connections to Colombian drug sources,
whereas Denise had connections to the Mafia. According to the theory
this rivalry could have come to a focus in the Bundy murders. But, this
is an entirely diffuse connection, and there is no vague (much less
explicit) reason to think that the rivalry erupted in this crime. If
there is no other reason to doubt this idea, one victim was from one
side of the rivalry, and the other victim was from the other side.
There is another indication of gangster methods associated with the
crime. Faye Resnick, Nicole's close friend at the end, claims that
shortly after the murders she suffered a break-in during which her
diaries of the period before the crime were stolen. Jennifer Ameli, a
West Los Angeles therapist, who counseled both Nicole and Ron in the
spring of 1994, suffered burglaries in which her records were stolen.
These crimes are suggestive of efforts to cover up some other connection
to the Bundy murders than Simpson himself.
CONCLUSION: From the foregoing, there is no persuasive indication that
the Bundy murders were undertaken specifically to kill Goldman, whether
by professional gangsters or anybody else.
However, this review does makes it appear that there was some mob
presence in Westside L.A. in 1994, and that the victims of the crime,
and the families and friends, were familiar with the reality of the
underworld, and probably their ways. We would not be surprised,
therefore, if people like Nicole and Ron might have had associations
with people they realized might be mobsters. And, if they thought that
those contacts were innocent, they may have believed that as long as
they themselves did not break any laws, they were safe. This very
gentle association of the victims with mobsters does seem quite possible
to me.
Dick Wagner * Van Nuys, CA (9/20/99) NG_584
Though you are no longer with us Mr. Wagner, you should have been persuaded by the Cantor evidence, which there is a bit more of:

Bruce/Brett Cantor of the LA Dragonfly Nightclub was murdered (1993, about one year before Ron's murder) with the same MO, multiple stab wounds to the body, followed by jugulation, injuries nearly identical to those of Ron and Nicole.

Further, Cantor was an acquaintance/employer of Ron, and an acquaintance of Nicole, and of Faye Resnick. (You would obviously follow these links and leads in trying to discover Ron's killer.) The Cantor murder is unsolved. As PI Pat McKenna, former LAPD detective, says, the killer(s) of Cantor are almost certainly the same as the killer(s) of Ron and Nicole. The Cantor killing is one tiny tip of the exculpatory iceberg.

There is a third besides Cantor and Nigg.
c***@gmail.com
2015-07-21 05:09:33 UTC
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Post by JW
Among the alternative theories of the Simpson case is one that believes
that the intended target of the crime was not Nicole, but Ron Goldman.
This is based on certain coincidental facts in Ron's background that
could cause a person to suspect that forces in the underworld were
motivated to kill him for some reason, but there is no specific causal
evidence showing that a particular person acted to implement such a
plan. Since I believe that there was an organized crime connection to
the Bundy murders, such discussions interest me, somewhat.
Carol, my friend in Kansas, knows of my interest, sent me some articles
she collected from the internet, and asked me to evaluate them. A
review of the material and my conclusion follows.
RON GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND: At the time he died, Ron Goldman (according
to the coroner's report) was a 29 year old white male, 5'9" tall, 171
pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair, with a tattoo on his right shoulder.
His date of birth was 7/2/65, which makes him "almost 29 years old" at
the time he died.
Sheila Weller says that by Christmas 1993, Goldman had come to L.A.
from Chicago, and was hanging out with two other guys of his age at "the
wall" at Starbuck's coffee shop in Brentwood. At a point in life when
many others had already established a career, these had "starter jobs,"
waiter, gym trainer, courier,... And, they were all looking for their
"big break," that they knew from folk lore could come from a friendly
contact with someone rich or celebrated, and probably older than
themselves. In the spring of 1994 Nicole fraternized with these young
men, but with Goldman least. According to court transcripts, Goldman
landed a waiter's job at Mezzaluna in February 1994, and from other
sources we believe that Michael Nigg, a contemporary of Goldman's
without a known occupation, but lots of money, got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna.
MARVIN GLASS: According to the internet source
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5244/whoknew.html) the greatest
suspicion centers not on Ron Goldman as the object of the crime, but his
father, Fred Goldman. The concept begins with a colorful Chicago figure
who died in 1997, Marvin Glass. Originally a prominent Chicago lawyer,
Glass drifted into associations with Colombian mob figures, and was
accused in the mid-eighties of being involved with his drug-dealer
clients, acting as a middleman for $100-million
marijuana-and-cocaine-smuggling ring (money laundering), then collecting
even more money to defend his friends after they were busted. He was
also accused of having offered $2,500 to have his ex-partner shot and
killed.
During Glass's trial, his wife, Patti, was a faithful presence, but
once he was convicted she divorced Marvin, and took up with Fred
Goldman. Glass was sentenced to eight years in prison on July 17, 1986,
and Patti married Fred Goldman on February 21, 1987. If that was not
enough to ruin Marvin's outlook, shortly before the trial he was
involved in a traffic accident, and in the process of putting him back
together, the hospital used tainted blood; poor Marvin was diagnosed
with AIDS, and in those days that was an eventual death sentence. There
is much speculation, but no direct evidence, that Glass was unhappy with
his situation, and angry at Fred Goldman for depriving him of his wife.
According to this theory, Glass induced his mob associates to murder
Fred Goldman's son, Ron, as a way to exact revenge from the senior for
stealing his wife. (The idea is compelling for followers of this theory
because the June 1994 Bundy murders coincide with the end of Glass's
"official" eight year sentence, even though Glass actually served only a
little over two years.)
The main problem with this idea is its obliqueness. The usual way for
mobsters to exact revenge is to kill the principal, especially if he is
undefended, as Fred Goldman was. I can not recall hearing another story
in which a mobster killed the child of man, rather than the man himself
in such circumstances. Then, there is also the lack of corroborating
indication. It is simply EXPECTED that Glass might have had a grudge
against Goldman. It is also possible that Glass was grateful that
Goldman would take care of a woman (Patti) that he could no longer look
after. Many motives could be ascribed, but none are indicated in the
record.
RON GOLDMAN'S DREAMS: In another part of this consideration that Ron
might have been the target, the contradiction is pointed out between his
dreams and his reality. His reality is described as, "In 1994 Ron
Goldman has proven himself to be a failure. He is a Hollywood wannabe
actor, without a SAG card; a wannabe model, without an agent; unable to
pay his parking tickets, his driver's license was revoked - yet in
blatant disregard for the law, he drove borrowed cars; living beyond his
visible means, he filed bankruptcy..."
Certainly we would say of such a person that he had unpromising
prospects. Nonetheless, it was his ambition to open a disco, club, or
restaurant, and some of these dreams were so detailed as to actually
include designs and prototype policies. From this, the theorists
conclude, "... he had access to hundreds of thousand necessary to build
an upscale restaurant." If Ron was dreaming beyond his means, he would
not be the first man to do so. In fact, it is rather common, and leads
many people to play the lottery or take other long-shot measures to make
their dreams come true. In the Brentwood scene, the folklore is rich
with the possibility that a young man may "get his big break" out of
nowhere, and that by being nice to the right person, his dreams can come
true.
It is certainly not warranted to believe that because there was a huge
disconnect between Ron's dreams and his reality that thereby he must
have been knowingly involved with underworld figures or their projects.
In the place of Brentwood, and with Ron's circumstances, it is much more
likely to think he was scheming to get his "big break" in the usual
Brentwood way. By being nice to a rich (relatively) and well connected
woman.
RON'S FRIENDS: It is also claimed that Ron must have been active with
the underworld because some people he knew appear to have had an
involvement. Most often mentioned are,
* Michael Nigg, the high living friend who got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna. Nigg was shot and killed on September 9, 1995 by a gunman
who had a getaway car and driver.
* Brett Cantor, Ron's friend and record company owner who died of stab
wounds and a slashed throat at his Brentwood home on July 30, 1993.
From this, it can be reasonably concluded that Ron was aware of an
underworld presence in the Brentwood neighborhood, as he probably also
knew of an underworld reality in Chicago, from where he had come. (Just
from knowing a thumbnail biography of his step-mother, Patti (Glass)
Goldman, Ron probably took the reality of the underworld as a fact of
life.) But, having a friend that is affiliated with gangsters does not
make one a gangster himself. There is not any indication that Ron
worked with or had any explicit understandings with gangsters to do
illegal things. As far as the public record indicates, his criminal
history consists of unpaid parking tickets.
OTHER MOB CONNECTIONS: During the criminal trial (on March 23, 1995)
the press took note of the fact that Denise Brown, the victim's sister,
was being squired by Tony "The Animal" Fiato, a mob enforcer and FBI
informant, and that was believed to be part of a long-lasting and close
relationship. It is believed that Fiato worked for Joey Ippolito,
second generation Mafia and successor to Myer Lansky. Ippolito moved to
Southern California in 1988 and opened Cent'Anni, a fashionable Italian
restaurant in Malibu. It has been claimed that at one time A.C.
Cowlings, Simpson's very close friend, worked for Ippolito as a
bodyguard. The internet article hints of an underworld rivalry: Marvin
Glass (and hence Patti) had connections to Colombian drug sources,
whereas Denise had connections to the Mafia. According to the theory
this rivalry could have come to a focus in the Bundy murders. But, this
is an entirely diffuse connection, and there is no vague (much less
explicit) reason to think that the rivalry erupted in this crime. If
there is no other reason to doubt this idea, one victim was from one
side of the rivalry, and the other victim was from the other side.
There is another indication of gangster methods associated with the
crime. Faye Resnick, Nicole's close friend at the end, claims that
shortly after the murders she suffered a break-in during which her
diaries of the period before the crime were stolen. Jennifer Ameli, a
West Los Angeles therapist, who counseled both Nicole and Ron in the
spring of 1994, suffered burglaries in which her records were stolen.
These crimes are suggestive of efforts to cover up some other connection
to the Bundy murders than Simpson himself.
CONCLUSION: From the foregoing, there is no persuasive indication that
the Bundy murders were undertaken specifically to kill Goldman, whether
by professional gangsters or anybody else.
However, this review does makes it appear that there was some mob
presence in Westside L.A. in 1994, and that the victims of the crime,
and the families and friends, were familiar with the reality of the
underworld, and probably their ways. We would not be surprised,
therefore, if people like Nicole and Ron might have had associations
with people they realized might be mobsters. And, if they thought that
those contacts were innocent, they may have believed that as long as
they themselves did not break any laws, they were safe. This very
gentle association of the victims with mobsters does seem quite possible
to me.
Dick Wagner * Van Nuys, CA (9/20/99) NG_584
Bruce/Brett Cantor of the LA Dragonfly Nightclub was murdered (1993, about one year before Ron's murder) with the same MO, multiple stab wounds to the body, followed by jugulation, injuries nearly identical to those of Ron and Nicole.
Further, Cantor was an acquaintance/employer of Ron, and an acquaintance of Nicole, and of Faye Resnick. (You would obviously follow these links and leads in trying to discover Ron's killer.) The Cantor murder is unsolved. As PI Pat McKenna, former LAPD detective, says, the killer(s) of Cantor are almost certainly the same as the killer(s) of Ron and Nicole. The Cantor killing is one tiny tip of the exculpatory iceberg.
There is a third besides Cantor and Nigg.
when did we lose mr wagner?s! rest in peace!!!
a***@gmail.com
2017-03-09 04:30:26 UTC
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We must be diligent on his behalf.

Someone needs to contact McKenna!
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Post by JW
Among the alternative theories of the Simpson case is one that believes
that the intended target of the crime was not Nicole, but Ron Goldman.
This is based on certain coincidental facts in Ron's background that
could cause a person to suspect that forces in the underworld were
motivated to kill him for some reason, but there is no specific causal
evidence showing that a particular person acted to implement such a
plan. Since I believe that there was an organized crime connection to
the Bundy murders, such discussions interest me, somewhat.
Carol, my friend in Kansas, knows of my interest, sent me some articles
she collected from the internet, and asked me to evaluate them. A
review of the material and my conclusion follows.
RON GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND: At the time he died, Ron Goldman (according
to the coroner's report) was a 29 year old white male, 5'9" tall, 171
pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair, with a tattoo on his right shoulder.
His date of birth was 7/2/65, which makes him "almost 29 years old" at
the time he died.
Sheila Weller says that by Christmas 1993, Goldman had come to L.A.
from Chicago, and was hanging out with two other guys of his age at "the
wall" at Starbuck's coffee shop in Brentwood. At a point in life when
many others had already established a career, these had "starter jobs,"
waiter, gym trainer, courier,... And, they were all looking for their
"big break," that they knew from folk lore could come from a friendly
contact with someone rich or celebrated, and probably older than
themselves. In the spring of 1994 Nicole fraternized with these young
men, but with Goldman least. According to court transcripts, Goldman
landed a waiter's job at Mezzaluna in February 1994, and from other
sources we believe that Michael Nigg, a contemporary of Goldman's
without a known occupation, but lots of money, got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna.
MARVIN GLASS: According to the internet source
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5244/whoknew.html) the greatest
suspicion centers not on Ron Goldman as the object of the crime, but his
father, Fred Goldman. The concept begins with a colorful Chicago figure
who died in 1997, Marvin Glass. Originally a prominent Chicago lawyer,
Glass drifted into associations with Colombian mob figures, and was
accused in the mid-eighties of being involved with his drug-dealer
clients, acting as a middleman for $100-million
marijuana-and-cocaine-smuggling ring (money laundering), then collecting
even more money to defend his friends after they were busted. He was
also accused of having offered $2,500 to have his ex-partner shot and
killed.
During Glass's trial, his wife, Patti, was a faithful presence, but
once he was convicted she divorced Marvin, and took up with Fred
Goldman. Glass was sentenced to eight years in prison on July 17, 1986,
and Patti married Fred Goldman on February 21, 1987. If that was not
enough to ruin Marvin's outlook, shortly before the trial he was
involved in a traffic accident, and in the process of putting him back
together, the hospital used tainted blood; poor Marvin was diagnosed
with AIDS, and in those days that was an eventual death sentence. There
is much speculation, but no direct evidence, that Glass was unhappy with
his situation, and angry at Fred Goldman for depriving him of his wife.
According to this theory, Glass induced his mob associates to murder
Fred Goldman's son, Ron, as a way to exact revenge from the senior for
stealing his wife. (The idea is compelling for followers of this theory
because the June 1994 Bundy murders coincide with the end of Glass's
"official" eight year sentence, even though Glass actually served only a
little over two years.)
The main problem with this idea is its obliqueness. The usual way for
mobsters to exact revenge is to kill the principal, especially if he is
undefended, as Fred Goldman was. I can not recall hearing another story
in which a mobster killed the child of man, rather than the man himself
in such circumstances. Then, there is also the lack of corroborating
indication. It is simply EXPECTED that Glass might have had a grudge
against Goldman. It is also possible that Glass was grateful that
Goldman would take care of a woman (Patti) that he could no longer look
after. Many motives could be ascribed, but none are indicated in the
record.
RON GOLDMAN'S DREAMS: In another part of this consideration that Ron
might have been the target, the contradiction is pointed out between his
dreams and his reality. His reality is described as, "In 1994 Ron
Goldman has proven himself to be a failure. He is a Hollywood wannabe
actor, without a SAG card; a wannabe model, without an agent; unable to
pay his parking tickets, his driver's license was revoked - yet in
blatant disregard for the law, he drove borrowed cars; living beyond his
visible means, he filed bankruptcy..."
Certainly we would say of such a person that he had unpromising
prospects. Nonetheless, it was his ambition to open a disco, club, or
restaurant, and some of these dreams were so detailed as to actually
include designs and prototype policies. From this, the theorists
conclude, "... he had access to hundreds of thousand necessary to build
an upscale restaurant." If Ron was dreaming beyond his means, he would
not be the first man to do so. In fact, it is rather common, and leads
many people to play the lottery or take other long-shot measures to make
their dreams come true. In the Brentwood scene, the folklore is rich
with the possibility that a young man may "get his big break" out of
nowhere, and that by being nice to the right person, his dreams can come
true.
It is certainly not warranted to believe that because there was a huge
disconnect between Ron's dreams and his reality that thereby he must
have been knowingly involved with underworld figures or their projects.
In the place of Brentwood, and with Ron's circumstances, it is much more
likely to think he was scheming to get his "big break" in the usual
Brentwood way. By being nice to a rich (relatively) and well connected
woman.
RON'S FRIENDS: It is also claimed that Ron must have been active with
the underworld because some people he knew appear to have had an
involvement. Most often mentioned are,
* Michael Nigg, the high living friend who got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna. Nigg was shot and killed on September 9, 1995 by a gunman
who had a getaway car and driver.
* Brett Cantor, Ron's friend and record company owner who died of stab
wounds and a slashed throat at his Brentwood home on July 30, 1993.
From this, it can be reasonably concluded that Ron was aware of an
underworld presence in the Brentwood neighborhood, as he probably also
knew of an underworld reality in Chicago, from where he had come. (Just
from knowing a thumbnail biography of his step-mother, Patti (Glass)
Goldman, Ron probably took the reality of the underworld as a fact of
life.) But, having a friend that is affiliated with gangsters does not
make one a gangster himself. There is not any indication that Ron
worked with or had any explicit understandings with gangsters to do
illegal things. As far as the public record indicates, his criminal
history consists of unpaid parking tickets.
OTHER MOB CONNECTIONS: During the criminal trial (on March 23, 1995)
the press took note of the fact that Denise Brown, the victim's sister,
was being squired by Tony "The Animal" Fiato, a mob enforcer and FBI
informant, and that was believed to be part of a long-lasting and close
relationship. It is believed that Fiato worked for Joey Ippolito,
second generation Mafia and successor to Myer Lansky. Ippolito moved to
Southern California in 1988 and opened Cent'Anni, a fashionable Italian
restaurant in Malibu. It has been claimed that at one time A.C.
Cowlings, Simpson's very close friend, worked for Ippolito as a
bodyguard. The internet article hints of an underworld rivalry: Marvin
Glass (and hence Patti) had connections to Colombian drug sources,
whereas Denise had connections to the Mafia. According to the theory
this rivalry could have come to a focus in the Bundy murders. But, this
is an entirely diffuse connection, and there is no vague (much less
explicit) reason to think that the rivalry erupted in this crime. If
there is no other reason to doubt this idea, one victim was from one
side of the rivalry, and the other victim was from the other side.
There is another indication of gangster methods associated with the
crime. Faye Resnick, Nicole's close friend at the end, claims that
shortly after the murders she suffered a break-in during which her
diaries of the period before the crime were stolen. Jennifer Ameli, a
West Los Angeles therapist, who counseled both Nicole and Ron in the
spring of 1994, suffered burglaries in which her records were stolen.
These crimes are suggestive of efforts to cover up some other connection
to the Bundy murders than Simpson himself.
CONCLUSION: From the foregoing, there is no persuasive indication that
the Bundy murders were undertaken specifically to kill Goldman, whether
by professional gangsters or anybody else.
However, this review does makes it appear that there was some mob
presence in Westside L.A. in 1994, and that the victims of the crime,
and the families and friends, were familiar with the reality of the
underworld, and probably their ways. We would not be surprised,
therefore, if people like Nicole and Ron might have had associations
with people they realized might be mobsters. And, if they thought that
those contacts were innocent, they may have believed that as long as
they themselves did not break any laws, they were safe. This very
gentle association of the victims with mobsters does seem quite possible
to me.
Dick Wagner * Van Nuys, CA (9/20/99) NG_584
Bruce/Brett Cantor of the LA Dragonfly Nightclub was murdered (1993, about one year before Ron's murder) with the same MO, multiple stab wounds to the body, followed by jugulation, injuries nearly identical to those of Ron and Nicole.
Further, Cantor was an acquaintance/employer of Ron, and an acquaintance of Nicole, and of Faye Resnick. (You would obviously follow these links and leads in trying to discover Ron's killer.) The Cantor murder is unsolved. As PI Pat McKenna, former LAPD detective, says, the killer(s) of Cantor are almost certainly the same as the killer(s) of Ron and Nicole. The Cantor killing is one tiny tip of the exculpatory iceberg.
There is a third besides Cantor and Nigg.
when did we lose mr wagner?s! rest in peace!!!
Kittens Magazine
2021-12-17 03:45:37 UTC
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Post by JW
Among the alternative theories of the Simpson case is one that believes
that the intended target of the crime was not Nicole, but Ron Goldman.
This is based on certain coincidental facts in Ron's background that
could cause a person to suspect that forces in the underworld were
motivated to kill him for some reason, but there is no specific causal
evidence showing that a particular person acted to implement such a
plan. Since I believe that there was an organized crime connection to
the Bundy murders, such discussions interest me, somewhat.
Carol, my friend in Kansas, knows of my interest, sent me some articles
she collected from the internet, and asked me to evaluate them. A
review of the material and my conclusion follows.
RON GOLDMAN'S BACKGROUND: At the time he died, Ron Goldman (according
to the coroner's report) was a 29 year old white male, 5'9" tall, 171
pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair, with a tattoo on his right shoulder.
His date of birth was 7/2/65, which makes him "almost 29 years old" at
the time he died.
Sheila Weller says that by Christmas 1993, Goldman had come to L.A.
from Chicago, and was hanging out with two other guys of his age at "the
wall" at Starbuck's coffee shop in Brentwood. At a point in life when
many others had already established a career, these had "starter jobs,"
waiter, gym trainer, courier,... And, they were all looking for their
"big break," that they knew from folk lore could come from a friendly
contact with someone rich or celebrated, and probably older than
themselves. In the spring of 1994 Nicole fraternized with these young
men, but with Goldman least. According to court transcripts, Goldman
landed a waiter's job at Mezzaluna in February 1994, and from other
sources we believe that Michael Nigg, a contemporary of Goldman's
without a known occupation, but lots of money, got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna.
MARVIN GLASS: According to the internet source
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5244/whoknew.html) the greatest
suspicion centers not on Ron Goldman as the object of the crime, but his
father, Fred Goldman. The concept begins with a colorful Chicago figure
who died in 1997, Marvin Glass. Originally a prominent Chicago lawyer,
Glass drifted into associations with Colombian mob figures, and was
accused in the mid-eighties of being involved with his drug-dealer
clients, acting as a middleman for $100-million
marijuana-and-cocaine-smuggling ring (money laundering), then collecting
even more money to defend his friends after they were busted. He was
also accused of having offered $2,500 to have his ex-partner shot and
killed.
During Glass's trial, his wife, Patti, was a faithful presence, but
once he was convicted she divorced Marvin, and took up with Fred
Goldman. Glass was sentenced to eight years in prison on July 17, 1986,
and Patti married Fred Goldman on February 21, 1987. If that was not
enough to ruin Marvin's outlook, shortly before the trial he was
involved in a traffic accident, and in the process of putting him back
together, the hospital used tainted blood; poor Marvin was diagnosed
with AIDS, and in those days that was an eventual death sentence. There
is much speculation, but no direct evidence, that Glass was unhappy with
his situation, and angry at Fred Goldman for depriving him of his wife.
According to this theory, Glass induced his mob associates to murder
Fred Goldman's son, Ron, as a way to exact revenge from the senior for
stealing his wife. (The idea is compelling for followers of this theory
because the June 1994 Bundy murders coincide with the end of Glass's
"official" eight year sentence, even though Glass actually served only a
little over two years.)
The main problem with this idea is its obliqueness. The usual way for
mobsters to exact revenge is to kill the principal, especially if he is
undefended, as Fred Goldman was. I can not recall hearing another story
in which a mobster killed the child of man, rather than the man himself
in such circumstances. Then, there is also the lack of corroborating
indication. It is simply EXPECTED that Glass might have had a grudge
against Goldman. It is also possible that Glass was grateful that
Goldman would take care of a woman (Patti) that he could no longer look
after. Many motives could be ascribed, but none are indicated in the
record.
RON GOLDMAN'S DREAMS: In another part of this consideration that Ron
might have been the target, the contradiction is pointed out between his
dreams and his reality. His reality is described as, "In 1994 Ron
Goldman has proven himself to be a failure. He is a Hollywood wannabe
actor, without a SAG card; a wannabe model, without an agent; unable to
pay his parking tickets, his driver's license was revoked - yet in
blatant disregard for the law, he drove borrowed cars; living beyond his
visible means, he filed bankruptcy..."
Certainly we would say of such a person that he had unpromising
prospects. Nonetheless, it was his ambition to open a disco, club, or
restaurant, and some of these dreams were so detailed as to actually
include designs and prototype policies. From this, the theorists
conclude, "... he had access to hundreds of thousand necessary to build
an upscale restaurant." If Ron was dreaming beyond his means, he would
not be the first man to do so. In fact, it is rather common, and leads
many people to play the lottery or take other long-shot measures to make
their dreams come true. In the Brentwood scene, the folklore is rich
with the possibility that a young man may "get his big break" out of
nowhere, and that by being nice to the right person, his dreams can come
true.
It is certainly not warranted to believe that because there was a huge
disconnect between Ron's dreams and his reality that thereby he must
have been knowingly involved with underworld figures or their projects.
In the place of Brentwood, and with Ron's circumstances, it is much more
likely to think he was scheming to get his "big break" in the usual
Brentwood way. By being nice to a rich (relatively) and well connected
woman.
RON'S FRIENDS: It is also claimed that Ron must have been active with
the underworld because some people he knew appear to have had an
involvement. Most often mentioned are,
* Michael Nigg, the high living friend who got Ron the job at the
Mezzaluna. Nigg was shot and killed on September 9, 1995 by a gunman
who had a getaway car and driver.
* Brett Cantor, Ron's friend and record company owner who died of stab
wounds and a slashed throat at his Brentwood home on July 30, 1993.
From this, it can be reasonably concluded that Ron was aware of an
underworld presence in the Brentwood neighborhood, as he probably also
knew of an underworld reality in Chicago, from where he had come. (Just
from knowing a thumbnail biography of his step-mother, Patti (Glass)
Goldman, Ron probably took the reality of the underworld as a fact of
life.) But, having a friend that is affiliated with gangsters does not
make one a gangster himself. There is not any indication that Ron
worked with or had any explicit understandings with gangsters to do
illegal things. As far as the public record indicates, his criminal
history consists of unpaid parking tickets.
OTHER MOB CONNECTIONS: During the criminal trial (on March 23, 1995)
the press took note of the fact that Denise Brown, the victim's sister,
was being squired by Tony "The Animal" Fiato, a mob enforcer and FBI
informant, and that was believed to be part of a long-lasting and close
relationship. It is believed that Fiato worked for Joey Ippolito,
second generation Mafia and successor to Myer Lansky. Ippolito moved to
Southern California in 1988 and opened Cent'Anni, a fashionable Italian
restaurant in Malibu. It has been claimed that at one time A.C.
Cowlings, Simpson's very close friend, worked for Ippolito as a
bodyguard. The internet article hints of an underworld rivalry: Marvin
Glass (and hence Patti) had connections to Colombian drug sources,
whereas Denise had connections to the Mafia. According to the theory
this rivalry could have come to a focus in the Bundy murders. But, this
is an entirely diffuse connection, and there is no vague (much less
explicit) reason to think that the rivalry erupted in this crime. If
there is no other reason to doubt this idea, one victim was from one
side of the rivalry, and the other victim was from the other side.
There is another indication of gangster methods associated with the
crime. Faye Resnick, Nicole's close friend at the end, claims that
shortly after the murders she suffered a break-in during which her
diaries of the period before the crime were stolen. Jennifer Ameli, a
West Los Angeles therapist, who counseled both Nicole and Ron in the
spring of 1994, suffered burglaries in which her records were stolen.
These crimes are suggestive of efforts to cover up some other connection
to the Bundy murders than Simpson himself.
CONCLUSION: From the foregoing, there is no persuasive indication that
the Bundy murders were undertaken specifically to kill Goldman, whether
by professional gangsters or anybody else.
However, this review does makes it appear that there was some mob
presence in Westside L.A. in 1994, and that the victims of the crime,
and the families and friends, were familiar with the reality of the
underworld, and probably their ways. We would not be surprised,
therefore, if people like Nicole and Ron might have had associations
with people they realized might be mobsters. And, if they thought that
those contacts were innocent, they may have believed that as long as
they themselves did not break any laws, they were safe. This very
gentle association of the victims with mobsters does seem quite possible
to me.
Dick Wagner * Van Nuys, CA (9/20/99) NG_584
Bruce/Brett Cantor of the LA Dragonfly Nightclub was murdered (1993, about one year before Ron's murder) with the same MO, multiple stab wounds to the body, followed by jugulation, injuries nearly identical to those of Ron and Nicole.
Further, Cantor was an acquaintance/employer of Ron, and an acquaintance of Nicole, and of Faye Resnick. (You would obviously follow these links and leads in trying to discover Ron's killer.) The Cantor murder is unsolved. As PI Pat McKenna, former LAPD detective, says, the killer(s) of Cantor are almost certainly the same as the killer(s) of Ron and Nicole. The Cantor killing is one tiny tip of the exculpatory iceberg.
There is a third besides Cantor and Nigg.
It wasn't drug related it wasn't mafia. Drug dealers and mafia don't plant evidence. There has been clues left of who really did ... DJ Research a DJ named Michael Jackson from KABC radio, and the murder of Allen Berg.
MOB TALK RADIO
2021-05-13 16:50:29 UTC
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There mob doesn't hire African American bodyguards or drivers. Bottom line.
Thanks for your more detailed description of Cowlings connection to
Ippolito. On my file copy of this article I have removed the quilifier,
"It has been claimed that..." from the description of AC as Ippolito's
"bodyguard." I realize that you also said Cowlings was a "driver," but
one look at him, and I think he could pass as bodyguard, whatever he
chose to call himself.
As to your sweeping ideas about the role of organized crime in American
society, I am sure you have your reasons for believing this, but it is
contrary to my understanding, and you do not give any cause for me to
think differently, other than you yourself think differently.
Thanks for your input.
--dick wagner
Kittens Magazine
2021-12-17 03:39:29 UTC
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Post by MOB TALK RADIO
There mob doesn't hire African American bodyguards or drivers. Bottom line.
Thanks for your more detailed description of Cowlings connection to
Ippolito. On my file copy of this article I have removed the quilifier,
"It has been claimed that..." from the description of AC as Ippolito's
"bodyguard." I realize that you also said Cowlings was a "driver," but
one look at him, and I think he could pass as bodyguard, whatever he
chose to call himself.
As to your sweeping ideas about the role of organized crime in American
society, I am sure you have your reasons for believing this, but it is
contrary to my understanding, and you do not give any cause for me to
think differently, other than you yourself think differently.
Thanks for your input.
--dick wagner
Actually. They do.
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