I can be a lot nicer

Post by Sarah Ehrett
There's talk about a truce between kow :-) Karen and Rob and John. I
think maybe I should also offer an apology to Karen. The more I think
about it the more I realize I've been acting like a spoiled brat. I
guess it's just gotten to be a habit because I don't really hate Karen
at all but I can't seem to help calling her awful names.
I'm sorry. I'll try to do better in the future. If the guys can
swallow their pride so can I. Actually, being a woman, I should be the
one setting the example. Maybe it is time all this feuding stops.
And, thank you Gregory Hall for putting a sane outlook on all of this.
Five years is way too long to keep acting like a borish child.

I'm stunned. And speechless. Thank You.

And yet you include that painful (to me) signature line ...

Oh well. :'(

Karen

Post by Sarah Ehrett
----
" When reading you, I always see an extremely fat woman with
cankley wrists, tapping away at a keyboard, making that labored
breathing sound women make when they're way overweight. "
http://www.efanzines.com/EK/eI26/Karen-Anderson.jpg

Sarah Ehrett

2008-12-30 03:58:51 UTC

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:45:45 GMT, "Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote:

:>In news:***@4ax.com,
:>Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> tapped out:
:>> There's talk about a truce between kow :-) Karen and Rob and John. I
:>> think maybe I should also offer an apology to Karen. The more I think
:>> about it the more I realize I've been acting like a spoiled brat. I
:>> guess it's just gotten to be a habit because I don't really hate Karen
:>> at all but I can't seem to help calling her awful names.
:>>
:>> I'm sorry. I'll try to do better in the future. If the guys can
:>> swallow their pride so can I. Actually, being a woman, I should be the
:>> one setting the example. Maybe it is time all this feuding stops.
:>>
:>> And, thank you Gregory Hall for putting a sane outlook on all of this.
:>> Five years is way too long to keep acting like a borish child.
:>
:>I'm stunned. And speechless. Thank You.
:>
:>And yet you include that painful (to me) signature line ...
:>
:>Oh well. :'(
:>
:>Karen

Karen,

I didn't write that, Gregory Hall did.

I have already said I'm tired of all this and want it to end. Take John up
on his offer and move on. All the rest of us have agreed to it. Go and
enjoy life.

And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff for a
long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long since died.

PyrateJohn

2008-12-30 04:21:54 UTC

On Dec 29, 9:58 pm, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:

I have already said I'm tired of all this and want it to end. Take John up
on his offer and move on. All the rest of us have agreed to it. Go and
enjoy life.

Thanks Sarah!

Sarah Ehrett

2008-12-30 10:23:52 UTC

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:21:54 -0800 (PST), PyrateJohn <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

:>On Dec 29, 9:58 pm, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>
:>
:>>
:>> I have already said I'm tired of all this and want it to end. Take John up
:>> on his offer and move on. All the rest of us have agreed to it. Go and
:>> enjoy life.
:>>
:>
:>
:>Thanks Sarah!

No thanks necessary. It's time this is ended before Lumpy, of the whiny "I
hate Ken! I really, really, really, really do! " screed does another
embarrassing face plant into the open sewer of antu. ;)

2008-12-30 04:23:45 UTC

Post by Sarah Ehrett
:>> There's talk about a truce between kow :-) Karen and Rob and John. I
:>> think maybe I should also offer an apology to Karen. The more I think
:>> about it the more I realize I've been acting like a spoiled brat. I
:>> guess it's just gotten to be a habit because I don't really hate Karen
:>> at all but I can't seem to help calling her awful names.
:>>
:>> I'm sorry. I'll try to do better in the future. If the guys can
:>> swallow their pride so can I. Actually, being a woman, I should be the
:>> one setting the example. Maybe it is time all this feuding stops.
:>>
:>> And, thank you Gregory Hall for putting a sane outlook on all of this.
:>> Five years is way too long to keep acting like a borish child.
:>
:>I'm stunned. And speechless. Thank You.
:>
:>And yet you include that painful (to me) signature line ...
:>
:>Oh well. :'(
:>
:>Karen
Karen,
I didn't write that, Gregory Hall did.
I have already said I'm tired of all this and want it to end. Take John up
on his offer and move on. All the rest of us have agreed to it. Go and
enjoy life.
And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff for a
long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long since died.

*sniff*

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Karen

2008-12-31 22:13:46 UTC

Post by Sarah Ehrett
And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff

for a long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long
since died.

Thanks for your offer, whether or not it is genuine. I'm sure you can
understand that I have no intention of ever emailing you, nor have I
ever done so in the past. There is zero trust between us and I don't
see that ever changing.

However ---

I went to Europe for the first time in April, 1962 with my parents
aboard the RMS Queen Mary. It was a great experience, especially since
the great ocean-going passenger ships were soon to be replaced entirely
by air travel. I hadn't really HEARD of the Titanic and nobody among
the crew mentioned that we were in the SAME place as the Titanic was the
night it went down 50 years earlier. Maybe they weren't aware of it or
it wasn't appropriate to alert the passengers about. I didn't find that
co-incidence out for decades and doubt we would have sailed on the QM at
all, let alone that specific time had we known. Not that fate actually
works that way, but still ...

We saw the RMS Queen Elizabeth in mid-Atlantic on her way to NYC as we
were headed for Southampton. We weren't real close but she was
certainly easy to see "out there". Years later, we visited the RMS
Queen Mary at Long Beach, Calif. and I walked to the door of our cabin
as well as looked around the Cabin Lounge where I had spent most of my
time mid-sea due to seasickness. I became good friends with the Chief
Cabin Steward back then and we exchanged letters for awhile after I
returned to Wisconsin. We lost contact for nearly 50 years, but found
each other again about 5 years ago. We updated our lives but ran out of
reasons to continue communicating. He worked on the new QE II during
the early years of her being a cruise ship and then worked for Bass
Brewery setting up new pubs all over England and beyond. He is the
ultimate expert when it comes to the service industry and training new
people in the industry how to treat customers. Very nice gentleman,
too. And mighty handsome when I knew him and we both were *young* back
in 1962. He's another of the many jewels in my Treasure Box of
Memories.

I researched and read up on the Titanic and followed some VERY
interesting posts on the ng. Then I saw the "Titanic" movie in a big
theatre and when it was over, everyone just sat rigidly in their seats
and many were weeping...like me. Then little by little we departed the
theatre with our heads down...feeling stunned. I felt especially sad
because I experienced an ocean voyage so very much like that and could
almost feel what it must have been like for those poor terrified and
doomed people. I since have purchased the VHS tape but never have
watched it. Long film and a heart-wrenching one for me. But I intend
to watch it....!

The Titanic artifacts traveling exhibition was in Seattle a few years
ago and I went over to see it. Excellent. I touched a piece of the
actual hull and touched a wall of ice replicating an iceberg.
Incredibly cold and soon painful to my hand.

I think Robert Ballard is remarkable for what he accomplished. But as
for disturbing the site, perhaps too much of that has been done already,
but otoh, I'm extremely curious. Some actual jewelry, coins, dishes and
shoes, etc. have been recovered and are on display in the exhibition(s).
I'm fascinated, a bit repulsed and quite saddened. It's a vivid walk
back into history (a subject I usually am not much interested in).

You no doubt have seen one or more of the exhibitions living near the
Atlantic as you always have. I relate to the Great Lakes more than the
oceans...until I moved here where salt water and tides are part of life.
I can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I put out for
the neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet twice a day when
the tide goes out. Why do they want stale bread...that I have to buy?

Karen

Gregory Hall

2009-01-01 17:34:23 UTC

"Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote in message news:u8S6l.104809$***@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<big snip>

Post by Karen
You no doubt have seen one or more of the exhibitions living near the
Atlantic as you always have. I relate to the Great Lakes more than the
oceans...until I moved here where salt water and tides are part of life. I
can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I put out for the
neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet twice a day when the
tide goes out. Why do they want stale bread...that I have to buy?

How to control pesky seagulls? Let a large, bossy seagull control them
instead.

Be on the lookout for an extra large and healthy-looking seagull. Probably
will be one that has a black ring around his beak. When you see him toss a
piece of bread ONLY to him. Just one piece. He will start coming to visit
you often probably first thing in the morning and late in the afternoon
before he goes off to roost. Be nice to him, feed him left-overs. Gulls will
eat just about anything. They love meat the best of all. Bananas are a real
treat to them. Just about any fruit they love. Feed him stuff that you'd
normally throw away. They don't care if it's a little spoiled. You will make
a friend and you can almost have him eating out of your hand in no time. But
try not to let any other gulls get any food you throw to him.

What will happen is he will start being territorial. He will find a spot to
perch nearby and he will keep a lookout and will scream at other gulls
passing by and tell them to bugger off and they will for the most part.

I have one who sits on my dingy and runs all the others off unless I toss
out enough food that he can't eat it all and when it starts floating off on
the water's surface here will come the flock. He'll do his best to run some
of them off but he can't handle them all. So, again, the secret is give him
just enough food and in small pieces so he can eat it all himself before the
others get any.

My tamed gull migrates away every spring and comes back in the winter. This
particular one has been coming back for about five years now. He's huge now,
about twice the size of his buddies. No wonder they give him a wide berth.
He's so strong he can lift up a chicken drumstick in his beak and fly off
with it to his dinghy tied off behind a smaller sailboat I own and eat it at
his leisure.

--
Gregory Hall

Karen

2009-01-02 00:11:31 UTC

Post by Karen
I can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I
put out for the neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet
twice a day when the tide goes out. Why do they want stale
bread...that I have to buy?

What a Republican POV. The top bird who needs it the least gets it all
and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. "I've got mine; to hell with
you"?

When I first moved here I was nearly paralyzed with fatigue and relief
that I was actually HERE and could stay forever....not just visiting. I
had to get rested and get my bearings so I went to Lions Park, Bachmann
Park or anywhere by the water from Port Orchard to Poulsbo, parked by
the water and watched boats and ferries....and seagulls. I soon was
feeding them bread and then a whole loaf and then buying a cart full of
stale bread from the outlet bakery stores. After awhile, a sign went up
by the park commission this was no longer allowed. Others were feeding,
too. So I tapered way off and then stopped.

While I watched and observed their aggressive behavior, I noticed one or
two big gulls got virtually all the food and the others just never had a
chance. That made me very annoyed. Bullies! I tried every which way
to shoo them off and see that the other birds got food but the big ones
were so fearless. Then I tossed them whole slices or buns and their
necks would fill up and they couldn't close their bills so they had to
fly away. Then the others got to eat.

Now that is happening up here on a smaller scale. One big aggressive
one and 2-3 smaller more timid ones. Guess who is gobbling it all up
and the crows don't get any either. I have tried to chase him with the
broom. If he does fly up it's in a circle and is right back when I turn
my back. A couple days ago, I had thrown out whole slices of bread and
went back out and picked them up before he could gorge himself on them
all. He has more fresh seafood twice a day than he can possibly eat
down on the beach at the bottom of my hill. He is only around early
morning so I waited till later and tossed the bread back out for the
crows.

I want everybody to have a chance to eat, not just the bullies. They
need it the least anyway, tho everybody gets hungry and I don't want to
deny them entirely. Just share the wealth, even if not fairly.

Post by Gregory Hall
What will happen is he will start being territorial. He will find a
spot to perch nearby and he will keep a lookout and will scream at
other gulls passing by and tell them to bugger off and they will for
the most part.

This one does it to the crows, too. He follows them around in the first
place to see where they are getting food and then he bullies them away.
OTOH, crows are a menace, too. They are constantly pestering and
chasing the eagles. I guess eagles will rob crows nests so they are
trying to chase them off. I suspect eagles were here before crows
were....which doesn't mean much even to people.

Post by Gregory Hall
I have one who sits on my dingy and runs all the others off unless I
toss out enough food that he can't eat it all and when it starts
floating off on the water's surface here will come the flock. He'll
do his best to run some of them off but he can't handle them all.

Basically, I have witnessed that kind of behavior down on the beaches.
But it takes a lot of food to finally fill him up so he HAS to leave and
still have some for the others. I suppose that's what is meant in the
animal world about "survival of the fittest". He was a little chick
once himself and he had to fight his way to the top. The others have to
try to do the same to survive.

So,

Post by Gregory Hall
again, the secret is give him just enough food and in small pieces so
he can eat it all himself before the others get any.

What if you only have a limited amount of food and he takes 90% of it?

Post by Gregory Hall
My tamed gull migrates away every spring and comes back in the
winter. This particular one has been coming back for about five years
now. He's huge now, about twice the size of his buddies.

You have to be a Republican. :'/

No wonder

Post by Gregory Hall
they give him a wide berth. He's so strong he can lift up a chicken
drumstick in his beak and fly off with it to his dinghy tied off
behind a smaller sailboat I own and eat it at his leisure.

You throw away chicken legs or buy them specially for the gull?

I won't cater to one bird or animal like that...unless they are the only
one.

Lumpy

2009-01-02 00:32:17 UTC

What a Republican POV. The top bird who needs it the least gets it all
and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. "I've got mine; to hell with
you"?

Take it up with Darwin.

Jose Gaspar

2009-01-02 04:13:17 UTC

In article <8c053fab-5161-4d6e-bda6-***@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Lumpy says...

What a Republican POV. =A0The top bird who needs it the least gets it all
and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. =A0"I've got mine; to hell with
you"?

Take it up with Darwin.

When I was a kid there was an old guy who claimed that he was aboard the Titanic
(or at least the folks who knew him claimed that). My dad said that that guy
looked old when he was a kid. His name was Spanhank, although I'm not sure if
that is the correct spelling. When I returned home from Vietnam, I saw him
driving a farm tractor down the road. My dad was born in 1911. So if Spanhank
looked like an old man when my dad was 10 years old, it was about 50 years later
that I last saw him.

Lumpy

2009-01-02 09:11:57 UTC

Post by Jose Gaspar
Lumpy says...

What a Republican POV. =A0The top bird who needs it the least gets it all
and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. =A0"I've got mine; to hell with
you"?

Take it up with Darwin.

I wanted to reply to this but it left me kind of wobbling off the edge
of the trail.

Jose Gaspar

2009-01-02 13:13:10 UTC

In article <49dc98bc-e622-498a-a127-***@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Lumpy says...

Post by Jose Gaspar
.com>,

Post by Jose Gaspar
Lumpy says...

What a Republican POV. =3DA0The top bird who needs it the least gets i=

t all

Post by Jose Gaspar

and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. =3DA0"I've got mine; to hell w=

ith

Post by Jose Gaspar

you"?

Take it up with Darwin.

When I was a kid there was an old guy who claimed that he was aboard the =

Titanic

Post by Jose Gaspar
(or at least the folks who knew him claimed that). =A0My dad said that th=

at guy

Post by Jose Gaspar
looked old when he was a kid. =A0His name was Spanhank, although I'm not =

sure if

Post by Jose Gaspar
that is the correct spelling. =A0When I returned home from Vietnam, I saw=

him

Post by Jose Gaspar
driving a farm tractor down the road. =A0My dad was born in 1911. So if
Spanhank
looked like an old man when my dad was 10 years old, it was about 50 year=

s later

Post by Jose Gaspar
that I last saw him.

I wanted to reply to this but it left me kind of wobbling off the edge
of the trail.

I had pretty much forgotten about the old man until I saw the posts about the
Titanic. I just checked the roster of Titanic survivors and there is no name
even similar to Spanhank, but it made a nice story at the time. Every small town
in America has its own tall tales. I guess it's an attempt to stave off
boredom... or an attempt to invent importance to an otherwise unimportant
place...

Gregory Hall

2009-01-02 21:51:11 UTC

What a Republican POV. The top bird who needs it the least gets it all
and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. "I've got mine; to hell with
you"?

Sorry, but you're confused. It's primarily Democrats who are on welfare.
Bwahahhaha.

Post by Karen
When I first moved here I was nearly paralyzed with fatigue and relief
that I was actually HERE and could stay forever....not just visiting. I
had to get rested and get my bearings so I went to Lions Park, Bachmann
Park or anywhere by the water from Port Orchard to Poulsbo, parked by the
water and watched boats and ferries....and seagulls. I soon was feeding
them bread and then a whole loaf and then buying a cart full of stale
bread from the outlet bakery stores. After awhile, a sign went up by the
park commission this was no longer allowed. Others were feeding, too. So
I tapered way off and then stopped.

Gulls are pigs. They'll stuff themselves so much they can hardly fly away.
But, the females, at least, need to fatten themselves up because when they
are hatching chicks they don't get to eat for long stretches. Then the male
has to bring them stuff and spit it up for them.

Post by Karen
While I watched and observed their aggressive behavior, I noticed one or
two big gulls got virtually all the food and the others just never had a
chance. That made me very annoyed. Bullies! I tried every which way to
shoo them off and see that the other birds got food but the big ones were
so fearless. Then I tossed them whole slices or buns and their necks
would fill up and they couldn't close their bills so they had to fly away.
Then the others got to eat.

If you want them all to eat then buy a bag of cheap catfood. Gulls love it.
Little pellets are best. Toss out handfulls onto the water and scatter it
good here and there. They will all get a chance to eat then. The big bullies
just can't chase the whole flock away.

Post by Karen
Now that is happening up here on a smaller scale. One big aggressive one
and 2-3 smaller more timid ones. Guess who is gobbling it all up and the
crows don't get any either. I have tried to chase him with the broom. If
he does fly up it's in a circle and is right back when I turn my back. A
couple days ago, I had thrown out whole slices of bread and went back out
and picked them up before he could gorge himself on them all. He has more
fresh seafood twice a day than he can possibly eat down on the beach at
the bottom of my hill. He is only around early morning so I waited till
later and tossed the bread back out for the crows.

It might be nesting season and maybe he's bringing food back to his mate.
Seems to me he'd much rather have fish and fish scraps than bread, though.
But maybe he's just trying to get a balanced diet. He hee.

Post by Karen
I want everybody to have a chance to eat, not just the bullies. They need
it the least anyway, tho everybody gets hungry and I don't want to deny
them entirely. Just share the wealth, even if not fairly.

This one does it to the crows, too. He follows them around in the first
place to see where they are getting food and then he bullies them away.
OTOH, crows are a menace, too. They are constantly pestering and chasing
the eagles. I guess eagles will rob crows nests so they are trying to
chase them off. I suspect eagles were here before crows were....which
doesn't mean much even to people.

Basically, I have witnessed that kind of behavior down on the beaches. But
it takes a lot of food to finally fill him up so he HAS to leave and still
have some for the others. I suppose that's what is meant in the animal
world about "survival of the fittest". He was a little chick once himself
and he had to fight his way to the top. The others have to try to do the
same to survive.

That's the way it works in nature. Not much pity for weaklings. They tend to
get weeded out.

Post by Karen
So,

Post by Gregory Hall
again, the secret is give him just enough food and in small pieces so
he can eat it all himself before the others get any.

What if you only have a limited amount of food and he takes 90% of it?

I do the cat food trick when I want to feed all of the local flock. Probably
only about 50 or so birds. He's sort of a wild pet so I sneak him special
treats. He's so funny. A couple of years ago he flew by me as I was going to
shore in the dinghy. He circled around and made very strange sounds. It
sounded like he was pissed because I was taking his nice comfy dingy. He
sits atop the little 3 hp outboard motor. But he didn't come back the next
day or the next. He came back about seven months later. I guess he was just
telling me Goodbye and thanks for all the good grub. I'm sure he had plenty
of fat stored to migrate to his summer feeding grounds whereever they are.
Probably way up the east coast somewhere. Lots of good dumps where gulls
make a very good living.

You have to be a Republican. :'/

You have it all wrong. Republicans produce. Democrats leech from the
producers.

Post by Karen
No wonder

You throw away chicken legs or buy them specially for the gull?

I buy those rotisserie chickens and I usually eat all the white meat before
they spoil. They only last about a day or two without refrigeration and if
they start to smell a little funny I break up what remains and throw it to
the gulls. It's their favorite. Legs and thighs are my least favorite so
they are usually eaten last and often spoil before I can eat them.

Post by Karen
I won't cater to one bird or animal like that...unless they are the only
one.

You are definitely a Democrat. Spread around the wealth you get from us
hard-working Republicans. Obama wannabe! :-)))))))

Speak of the devil, I hear my seagull calling. He's sitting on the dinghy
motor right now bouncing his head up and down and puffing out his chest
chasing all the others away. I guess I'll toss him a few cat food pieces.

--
Gregory Hall

Karen

2009-01-03 02:25:05 UTC

Post by Karen
What a Republican POV. The top bird who needs it the least gets it
all and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. "I've got mine; to hell
with you"?

Sorry, but you're confused. It's primarily Democrats who are on
welfare. Bwahahhaha.

I wouldn't know. None of my Democrat family has ever been close to
that. We contribute and aren't parasites in society.

Post by Gregory Hall
Gulls are pigs. They'll stuff themselves so much they can hardly fly away.

I've seen that. VERY greedy. They are so fortunate. Not many in the
animal kingdom can fly, swim and walk on land as effectively as they do.
They should never have to be hungry or fear anything. A gun, of course.

But, the females, at least, need to fatten themselves up

Post by Gregory Hall
because when they are hatching chicks they don't get to eat for long
stretches. Then the male has to bring them stuff and spit it up for
them.

At least the males DO contribute to the welfare of the family. Good for
them. I know some (maybe most) kinds of male birds do help with feeding
but didn't know gulls did.

Post by Gregory Hall
If you want them all to eat then buy a bag of cheap catfood.

I already spend at least $3. per day on "cheap" catfood for the coons
and a couple of stray cats. That is roughly $100 per month as the cheap
stuff is often gone and I have to buy something more expensive.
Wal-Mart has raised the price of their food $3. per bag in the past
couple of years. The weight of the bags for the "cheap" food is
dropping from 20# to 18# to 16#. NO catfood for the gulls.

Gulls

Post by Gregory Hall
love it. Little pellets are best. Toss out handfulls onto the water
and scatter it good here and there.

I guess it will float? I don't need to be feeding the bottom feeder
fish, too.

I'm sure the gulls can't possibly bully everybody away and they all get
*something* to eat. I just don't care to feed them at all here. There
are endless shorelines where the tides leave lots of goodies 2x daily.
They all eat very well around here ...

They will all get a chance to eat

Post by Gregory Hall
then. The big bullies just can't chase the whole flock away.

See how much better it is when everybody can prosper?

Post by Gregory Hall
It might be nesting season and maybe he's bringing food back to his
mate. Seems to me he'd much rather have fish and fish scraps than
bread, though. But maybe he's just trying to get a balanced diet. He
hee.

At one of the Piers along Elliot Bay where the ferries dock at Seattle,
there is an Ivar's fish stand and seating along the side of the building
where people take their food to eat while looking out over the water of
Puget Sound. There are a flock of seagulls who hang there all the time
and beg....mostly for french fries. Last time I was there a sign was
posted that it was all right to feed french fries to the gulls. They
can't be getting a balanced diet and must have dreadful cholesterol
numbers. :')

I suppose that's what

Post by Karen
is meant in the animal world about "survival of the fittest". He
was a little chick once himself and he had to fight his way to the
top. The others have to try to do the same to survive.

That's the way it works in nature. Not much pity for weaklings. They
tend to get weeded out.

And are the first to be caught by the predators.

Post by Gregory Hall
I do the cat food trick when I want to feed all of the local flock.
Probably only about 50 or so birds. He's sort of a wild pet so I
sneak him special treats. He's so funny. A couple of years ago he
flew by me as I was going to shore in the dinghy. He circled around
and made very strange sounds. It sounded like he was pissed because I
was taking his nice comfy dingy. He sits atop the little 3 hp
outboard motor. But he didn't come back the next day or the next. He
came back about seven months later. I guess he was just telling me
Goodbye and thanks for all the good grub. I'm sure he had plenty of
fat stored to migrate to his summer feeding grounds whereever they
are. Probably way up the east coast somewhere. Lots of good dumps
where gulls make a very good living.

Cute story. He surely was a survivor...more than the others but I don't
think any seagulls starve to death. Didn't you kinda worry and wonder
what happened to him or if you'd ever see him again? It's easy to get
attached to an animal that entertains us.

Post by Gregory Hall
My tamed gull migrates away every spring and comes back in the
winter. This particular one has been coming back for about five
years now. He's huge now, about twice the size of his buddies.

You have to be a Republican. :'/

I think I meant to say that gull has to be a Republican. :'/

Post by Gregory Hall
You have it all wrong. Republicans produce. Democrats leech from the
producers.

Didn't we just establish that you are no longer being "productive"? I
don't recall "leeching" from anybody, let alone a Republican. I
*earned* my paychecks and did excellent work, too.

Post by Gregory Hall
I buy those rotisserie chickens and I usually eat all the white meat
before they spoil. They only last about a day or two without
refrigeration and if they start to smell a little funny I break up
what remains and throw it to the gulls.

Chicken is dangerous waaaay before it "smells funny". You sure are
reckless with eggs and chicken meat.

It's their favorite. Legs and

Post by Gregory Hall
thighs are my least favorite so they are usually eaten last and often
spoil before I can eat them.

I hope they don't eat the leg and thigh bones. Maybe it's OK for big
birds to do that. They can regurgitate bones.

Why don't you just eat chicken in a restaurant and not bother with at
home?

Post by Karen
I won't cater to one bird or animal like that...unless they are the
only one.

You are definitely a Democrat. Spread around the wealth you get from
us hard-working Republicans. Obama wannabe! :-)))))))

Not a wannabe but I do like his attitude. Bring everybody along and
prosper so we all have a better life, albeit not an equal one. I hate
the "I've got mine: fuck you" attitude.

Post by Gregory Hall
Speak of the devil, I hear my seagull calling. He's sitting on the
dinghy motor right now bouncing his head up and down and puffing out
his chest chasing all the others away. I guess I'll toss him a few
cat food pieces.

That posture is so familiar and I've seen it around here. What annoying
sounds they can make; crows, too.

He's cheap entertainment so enjoy him...

Gregory Hall

2009-01-03 18:53:41 UTC

Post by Karen
What a Republican POV. The top bird who needs it the least gets it
all and the lesser hungry ones get nothing. "I've got mine; to hell
with you"?

Sorry, but you're confused. It's primarily Democrats who are on
welfare. Bwahahhaha.

I wouldn't know. None of my Democrat family has ever been close to that.
We contribute and aren't parasites in society.

Good for you and them.

Post by Gregory Hall
Gulls are pigs. They'll stuff themselves so much they can hardly fly away.

I've seen that. VERY greedy. They are so fortunate. Not many in the
animal kingdom can fly, swim and walk on land as effectively as they do.
They should never have to be hungry or fear anything. A gun, of course.
But, the females, at least, need to fatten themselves up

Post by Gregory Hall
because when they are hatching chicks they don't get to eat for long
stretches. Then the male has to bring them stuff and spit it up for
them.

At least the males DO contribute to the welfare of the family. Good for
them. I know some (maybe most) kinds of male birds do help with feeding
but didn't know gulls did.

Sitting on eggs all the time to keep them warm does seem kind of lame. It's
a wonder birds seem to thrive the way they do.

Post by Gregory Hall
If you want them all to eat then buy a bag of cheap catfood.

I already spend at least $3. per day on "cheap" catfood for the coons and
a couple of stray cats. That is roughly $100 per month as the cheap stuff
is often gone and I have to buy something more expensive. Wal-Mart has
raised the price of their food $3. per bag in the past couple of years.
The weight of the bags for the "cheap" food is dropping from 20# to 18# to
16#. NO catfood for the gulls.

Wow, you sure feed a lot of animals. It's nice there are kind-hearted people
around to help out animals people dump when they become inconvenient. I hope
those people burn in Hell - the creeps.

Gulls

Post by Gregory Hall
love it. Little pellets are best. Toss out handfulls onto the water
and scatter it good here and there.

I guess it will float? I don't need to be feeding the bottom feeder fish,
too.

Dry cat food and dog food floats. At least everything I've ever bought
floats. I think they put a lot of air in it to puff it up to make it look
bigger than it really is.

I'm sure the gulls can't possibly bully everybody away and they all get
*something* to eat. I just don't care to feed them at all here. There
are endless shorelines where the tides leave lots of goodies 2x daily.
They all eat very well around here ...
They will all get a chance to eat

Post by Gregory Hall
then. The big bullies just can't chase the whole flock away.

See how much better it is when everybody can prosper?

But, that's the sad fact. Not everybody can prosper. There always will be
the less prosperous.

They are fying pigs. I don't think they have cholesterol problems at all.
They have a very fast metabolism so they burn a lot of energy and have to
eat like pigs.

I suppose that's what

That's the way it works in nature. Not much pity for weaklings. They
tend to get weeded out.

And are the first to be caught by the predators.

Good both for the predators and for strengthing the prey so the predators
will get stronger still chasing them. Unlike humans who are busy diminishing
the species by breeding disease and infirmity into it, natural selection is
still at work in the wild. While humans devolve the so-called inferior
species continue to evolve.

I've been through two or three different pet gulls. I had one that I
recognized by a bum wing. It had a deformity where one of the wing tip
feathers came out at a weird angle. I started feeding it because I felt
sorry for it. But it could fly well and seemed to prosper. It flew away one
spring and then I sailed to the Bahamas, and lo and behold one day in the
Abacos there it was sitting on the dinghy motor after I'd been there for
about six months. I don't think it followed me. It couldn't have. But I
guess its summer home was the Bahamas. I know it was the same one because it
had the same bum wing and was very comfortable on the dinghy like it owned
it.

Post by Gregory Hall
My tamed gull migrates away every spring and comes back in the
winter. This particular one has been coming back for about five
years now. He's huge now, about twice the size of his buddies.

You have to be a Republican. :'/

I think I meant to say that gull has to be a Republican. :'/

Post by Gregory Hall
You have it all wrong. Republicans produce. Democrats leech from the
producers.

Didn't we just establish that you are no longer being "productive"? I
don't recall "leeching" from anybody, let alone a Republican. I *earned*
my paychecks and did excellent work, too.

Sorry, I wouldn't want to lump you into the same leech category as Hickey!
Now, there's a leech if I ever saw one. Brags about how great he's doing but
refused to get a job.

Chicken is dangerous waaaay before it "smells funny". You sure are
reckless with eggs and chicken meat.

I've only gotten a stomach ache a couple of times and it wasn't too serious.
Just some cramps but no puking.

It's their favorite. Legs and

Post by Gregory Hall
thighs are my least favorite so they are usually eaten last and often
spoil before I can eat them.

I hope they don't eat the leg and thigh bones. Maybe it's OK for big
birds to do that. They can regurgitate bones.

He takes it over to his other dinghy and spits it back out and picks the
meat off the bone with his beak while standing on it..

Why don't you just eat chicken in a restaurant and not bother with at
home?

$4.99 for a whole rotisserie chicken is cheaper than a restaurant meal by
far. I can eat what I want and toss the rest to the fish and birds. Makes us
all happy.

Post by Karen
I won't cater to one bird or animal like that...unless they are the
only one.

You are definitely a Democrat. Spread around the wealth you get from
us hard-working Republicans. Obama wannabe! :-)))))))

Not a wannabe but I do like his attitude. Bring everybody along and
prosper so we all have a better life, albeit not an equal one. I hate the
"I've got mine: fuck you" attitude.

I look at it as give the lazy bums a free ride on the backs of the
productive. I say every able to work should be forced to work. Only the
really crippled or unable to work should get a hand out. Sadly, in order for
a society to carry a bunch of lazy and unproductive people you end up with
socialism and it always goes bad. Socialism has never yet worked. Obama is a
socialist.

--
Gregory Hall

Karen

2009-01-04 01:31:48 UTC

Post by Gregory Hall
Wow, you sure feed a lot of animals.

I prefer to help animals rather than somebody's kids. Their parents
carelessly brought them into the world; let them take care of them.

It's nice there are kind-hearted

Post by Gregory Hall
people around to help out animals people dump when they become
inconvenient.

People move away and leave their cats here. So many foreclosed homes
all over have abandoned pets in them. It's hideous...

Post by Gregory Hall
I hope those people burn in Hell - the creeps.

My sentiments exactly. I have much more respect for animals than MOST
people. I hate it when somebody refers to somebody's heinous act as
"that person is an ANIMAL". <grrr> Animals have FAR more dignity than
most people. I feel anybody who abuses innocent animals for their sick
pleasure should be imprisoned....for a long time.

Post by Karen
See how much better it is when everybody can prosper?

But, that's the sad fact. Not everybody can prosper. There always
will be the less prosperous.

Not equal to everyone else but at least given an opportunity to improve
their lives. If they don't take it, then tough.

Post by Karen
And are the first to be caught by the predators.

Good both for the predators and for strengthing the prey so the
predators will get stronger still chasing them. Unlike humans who are
busy diminishing the species by breeding disease and infirmity into
it, natural selection is still at work in the wild. While humans
devolve the so-called inferior species continue to evolve.

The wildlife manages to balance themselves in Nature better than humans
do, that's for sure. I hate when an innocent animal is killed by a
predator as it's so violent. But the predators are also some of my
favorite animals and they are HUNGRY, too. The mothers have cubs and
pups and kits to feed so they HAVE to kill something so they all can
eat. Supposedly there is a cougar nearby here. One of my coonlings has
disappeared from a litter of six. Another family has lost 2 members. I
suspect the cougar got them. But that big cat has to eat, too. I just
don't want to see any of it... :'(

Post by Gregory Hall
I've been through two or three different pet gulls. I had one that I
recognized by a bum wing. It had a deformity where one of the wing tip
feathers came out at a weird angle. I started feeding it because I
felt sorry for it. But it could fly well and seemed to prosper. It
flew away one spring and then I sailed to the Bahamas, and lo and
behold one day in the Abacos there it was sitting on the dinghy motor
after I'd been there for about six months. I don't think it followed
me. It couldn't have. But I guess its summer home was the Bahamas. I
know it was the same one because it had the same bum wing and was
very comfortable on the dinghy like it owned it.

Amazing. I know gulls are smart. Somehow it "followed" you or sensed
you were nearby down there.

Post by Gregory Hall
Sorry, I wouldn't want to lump you into the same leech category as Hickey!

So far I get that impression. I may be a Democrat and an old-fashioned
liberal, but I'm not a modern Liberal or "Left-Winger". I have a wide
conservative streak and disagree with many things today's Democrats do.
I'm appalled at many of the things that Gilmer supports; yet we are both
Democrats and agree about our disgust with Republican
politicians...starting with the Bushies. However, they don't represent
the old-fashioned Republicans and true Conservatives either. Many of us
are fed up with politicans in general...and don't agree with anybody.

Now, there's a leech if I ever saw one. Brags about how great

Post by Gregory Hall
he's doing but refused to get a job.

I never thought he was a leech exactly and thought he really had
difficulty getting around in his car and had many health issues. I've
changed me mind now. He's got a new van and brags how he can go
anywhere he wants to now and how wonderful he feels with great health.
No wonder he isn't whining all the time on the MS ng anymore. As for
being re-evaluated every 5-7 years....that a big gap when he could have
improved a lot and could have been out working for 4-6 years already.
At minimum he should be evaluated at least every 2 years...better every
year. Of course he's not going back to fixing dishwasher, but he claims
to be a computer wiz of sorts and is an electrician and a super writer.
There is work out there he could very well do and somebody should be
insisting he DO it. He's fallen through the cracks with Social Security
and has become a leech.

Now watch him drop a HOUSE on me ... LOL

I'll bet he's nuked that post already. Too late. I saved it. ;')

Chicken is dangerous waaaay before it "smells funny". You sure are
reckless with eggs and chicken meat.

I've only gotten a stomach ache a couple of times and it wasn't too
serious. Just some cramps but no puking.

I was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Denver because of three
chicken mcnuggets I'd eaten earlier in the day at MacDonald's in
Colorado Springs. Spent the night in Emergency. They had to give me IV
till I got enough relief so I could lie down. Sat up riding in the
ambulance. I'm rather afraid of chicken. It needs to either be kept
very cold or very hot. It's the "warm" that really makes it toxic.

Post by Gregory Hall
He takes it over to his other dinghy and spits it back out and picks
the meat off the bone with his beak while standing on it..

LOL....gulls and crows are very entertaining to watch eat. Where
there's a will, there's a way and they can manage to eat most anything.

Post by Karen
Why don't you just eat chicken in a restaurant and not bother with at
home?

$4.99 for a whole rotisserie chicken is cheaper than a restaurant
meal by far. I can eat what I want and toss the rest to the fish and
birds. Makes us all happy.

Bottom line....whatever "makes us all happy". I'm kinda that way myself
with my cats and the outdoor critters.

Post by Karen
Not a wannabe but I do like his attitude. Bring everybody along and
prosper so we all have a better life, albeit not an equal one. I
hate the "I've got mine: fuck you" attitude.

I look at it as give the lazy bums a free ride on the backs of the
productive. I say every able to work should be forced to work. u

Yes....but what about all the companies and businesses shutting down and
people out of work? They WANT to work but their jobs are gone. I feel
bad for them. Yes, Unemployment Benefits are better than nothing for
awhile, but they can't exist forever that way. They want to work....but
where?

Post by Gregory Hall
Obama is a socialist.

He looks better to me than the past 8 long years of BUSH.

Gregory Hall

2009-01-05 16:41:19 UTC

Post by Gregory Hall
Wow, you sure feed a lot of animals.

I prefer to help animals rather than somebody's kids. Their parents
carelessly brought them into the world; let them take care of them.

Agreed!

Post by Karen
It's nice there are kind-hearted

Post by Gregory Hall
people around to help out animals people dump when they become
inconvenient.

People move away and leave their cats here. So many foreclosed homes all
over have abandoned pets in them. It's hideous...

That's so sad to hear. How can some people be so callous?

Post by Gregory Hall
I hope those people burn in Hell - the creeps.

My sentiments exactly. I have much more respect for animals than MOST
people. I hate it when somebody refers to somebody's heinous act as "that
person is an ANIMAL". <grrr> Animals have FAR more dignity than most
people. I feel anybody who abuses innocent animals for their sick
pleasure should be imprisoned....for a long time.

I think people like that should be put in a coliseum like in Roman times and
have the lions turned loose on them. A little turnabout is fair play after
all.

<snip>

Post by Karen
The wildlife manages to balance themselves in Nature better than humans
do, that's for sure. I hate when an innocent animal is killed by a
predator as it's so violent. But the predators are also some of my
favorite animals and they are HUNGRY, too. The mothers have cubs and pups
and kits to feed so they HAVE to kill something so they all can eat.
Supposedly there is a cougar nearby here. One of my coonlings has
disappeared from a litter of six. Another family has lost 2 members. I
suspect the cougar got them. But that big cat has to eat, too. I just
don't want to see any of it... :'(

Same here, knowing it goes on and seeing it are two different things
altogether.

<snip>

Post by Karen
So far I get that impression. I may be a Democrat and an old-fashioned
liberal, but I'm not a modern Liberal or "Left-Winger". I have a wide
conservative streak and disagree with many things today's Democrats do.
I'm appalled at many of the things that Gilmer supports; yet we are both
Democrats and agree about our disgust with Republican
politicians...starting with the Bushies. However, they don't represent
the old-fashioned Republicans and true Conservatives either. Many of us
are fed up with politicans in general...and don't agree with anybody.

So true - there's no middle ground anymore. Everybody has to be way left or
way right. And most politicians, no matter the party, are crooks in it
totally for what they, personally, can get out of it. Funny how so many of
them go in with no money and on their 150,000 dollar salary after five or
six years all of a sudden they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Post by Gregory Hall
Now, there's a leech if I ever saw one. Brags about how great
he's doing but refused to get a job.

I never thought he was a leech exactly and thought he really had
difficulty getting around in his car and had many health issues. I've
changed me mind now. He's got a new van and brags how he can go anywhere
he wants to now and how wonderful he feels with great health. No wonder he
isn't whining all the time on the MS ng anymore. As for being
re-evaluated every 5-7 years....that a big gap when he could have improved
a lot and could have been out working for 4-6 years already. At minimum he
should be evaluated at least every 2 years...better every year. Of course
he's not going back to fixing dishwasher, but he claims to be a computer
wiz of sorts and is an electrician and a super writer. There is work out
there he could very well do and somebody should be insisting he DO it.
He's fallen through the cracks with Social Security and has become a
leech.

Should be an annual evalution and nobody should be able to put his kid(s)
through college on the taxpayer's backs. Let the little bastards get a job
and loans and pay for their own damned college.

<snip>

Post by Karen
I was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Denver because of three chicken
mcnuggets I'd eaten earlier in the day at MacDonald's in Colorado Springs.
Spent the night in Emergency. They had to give me IV till I got enough
relief so I could lie down. Sat up riding in the ambulance. I'm rather
afraid of chicken. It needs to either be kept very cold or very hot.
It's the "warm" that really makes it toxic.

I guess you don't have a cast iron stomach like me. :-)

<snip>

Post by Karen
Yes....but what about all the companies and businesses shutting down and
people out of work? They WANT to work but their jobs are gone. I feel
bad for them. Yes, Unemployment Benefits are better than nothing for
awhile, but they can't exist forever that way. They want to work....but
where?

I say, TOUGH! Nobody is guaranteed a job. I don't know where that idea ever
came from. Let their relatives feed and house them for a while if they
really need it. Why should I have to pay for them? Just because the place
you work for shuts down doesn't mean you can find another place to work or
move to where there is work or something like that instead of whining and
playing the victim card. That's socialism pure. If nothing else, let the
lazy bastards start their own businesses or let them starve. I just don't
care to hear a bunch of lazy whining people with their hands stuck out or
reaching into my pockets grabbing my money.

Post by Gregory Hall
Obama is a socialist.

He looks better to me than the past 8 long years of BUSH.

Famous last words. You watch how he destroys the country. You will think
well of Bush when Obama gets through turning the country into another Soviet
Union. Remember Jimmy Carter and what HE did to the economy? Well, you ain't
seen nothing yet, girl!

--
Gregory Hall

Sarah Ehrett

2009-01-02 19:16:38 UTC

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:13:46 GMT, "Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote:

:>In news:***@4ax.com,
:>Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> tapped out:
:>
:>>> And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff
:>> for a long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long
:>> since died.
:>
:>Thanks for your offer, whether or not it is genuine. I'm sure you can
:>understand that I have no intention of ever emailing you, nor have I
:>ever done so in the past. There is zero trust between us and I don't
:>see that ever changing.

Well Karen, you did email me way back when but rest assured as before I
have never offered you the option of emailing me. Keep it civil and keep
it on the group. I don't think anyone will object to a discussion on the
Titanic.

:>However ---
:>
:>I went to Europe for the first time in April, 1962 with my parents
:>aboard the RMS Queen Mary. It was a great experience, especially since
:>the great ocean-going passenger ships were soon to be replaced entirely
:>by air travel. I hadn't really HEARD of the Titanic and nobody among
:>the crew mentioned that we were in the SAME place as the Titanic was the
:>night it went down 50 years earlier. Maybe they weren't aware of it or
:>it wasn't appropriate to alert the passengers about. I didn't find that
:>co-incidence out for decades and doubt we would have sailed on the QM at
:>all, let alone that specific time had we known. Not that fate actually
:>works that way, but still ...

As a consequence of the Titanic sinking the USCG now monitors all ice -
burgs, flows, fields - in the North Atlantic. Also all ships have since
been required to have 24/7 a manned radio room. As everyone knows the
Titanic's radio room was manned the night of April 15th, 1912 and SOS's
were sent by her Radio operators. The one ship which could have come to
her aid in time, The California, had shut down her radio operations at
midnight and didn't hear Titanic's messages asking for assistance.

:>I researched and read up on the Titanic and followed some VERY
:>interesting posts on the ng. Then I saw the "Titanic" movie in a big
:>theatre and when it was over, everyone just sat rigidly in their seats
:>and many were weeping...like me. Then little by little we departed the
:>theatre with our heads down...feeling stunned. I felt especially sad
:>because I experienced an ocean voyage so very much like that and could
:>almost feel what it must have been like for those poor terrified and
:>doomed people. I since have purchased the VHS tape but never have
:>watched it. Long film and a heart-wrenching one for me. But I intend
:>to watch it....!

I think most people who see the recent Titanic movie feel the same way.
I've seen the movie a dozen times plus I have the soundtrack - beautiful
and haunting music.

My favorite movie about the Titanic is the 1958 movie entitled A Night To
Remember , based on the book by the same name.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051994/

British Actor Kenneth Moore plays Second Officer Charles Lightoller, who
again showed great courage on the water during WW II when he and his son
sailed their private sloop back and forth during the evacuation of the BEF
from the beach at Dunkirk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation

:>The Titanic artifacts traveling exhibition was in Seattle a few years
:>ago and I went over to see it. Excellent. I touched a piece of the
:>actual hull and touched a wall of ice replicating an iceberg.
:>Incredibly cold and soon painful to my hand.
:>
:>I think Robert Ballard is remarkable for what he accomplished.

Ballard got to do what he did because of the US Navy. Ballard did the
Navy a favor and then called in a return favor so he could utilize Navy
resources to locate Titanic.

But as
:>for disturbing the site, perhaps too much of that has been done already,
:>but otoh, I'm extremely curious. Some actual jewelry, coins, dishes and
:>shoes, etc. have been recovered and are on display in the exhibition(s).
:>I'm fascinated, a bit repulsed and quite saddened. It's a vivid walk
:>back into history (a subject I usually am not much interested in).

I am on the same page as Ballard in that I believe the Titanic is a grave
site and as such should not be disturbed and artifacts should not been
removed. I understand people's curiosity and I too have viewed pictures
and read the articles covering subsequent teams who have found and brought
up items for display.

:>You no doubt have seen one or more of the exhibitions living near the
:>Atlantic as you always have. I relate to the Great Lakes more than the
:>oceans...

And to the loss of The Edmund Fitzgerald. To me taking steel from
Titanic's hull to make jewelry is the same as desecrating a grave site.

until I moved here where salt water and tides are part of life.
:>I can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I put out for
:>the neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet twice a day when
:>the tide goes out. Why do they want stale bread...that I have to buy?

Seagulls are scavengers. They'll eat anything.

Karen

2009-01-02 20:50:58 UTC

Post by Sarah Ehrett
And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff

for a long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long
since died.

Well Karen, you did email me way back when

NO, I did NOT and until you can ACCEPT that someone we both know is 99%
likely to have been the one to forge my name and stop making accusations
you cannot support with any kind of actual evidence, the best we can do
is avoid each other in certain areas. I don't care what abuse you want
to dish out to others. I'll never say a word. Just don't direct it at
ME.

but rest assured as before

Post by Sarah Ehrett
I have never offered you the option of emailing me. Keep it civil
and keep it on the group. I don't think anyone will object to a
discussion on the Titanic.

I misunderstood. I thought you wanted me to email you because you
certainly don't want me or anybody connected to me to continue posting
on your group. I believe I have as MUCH right as anybody to post where
I please on USENET so I will stop posting here when I choose to. I
obviously am very able to be CIVIL if I'm offered the same first.

Post by Karen
However ---
I went to Europe for the first time in April, 1962 with my parents
aboard the RMS Queen Mary. It was a great experience, especially
since the great ocean-going passenger ships were soon to be
replaced entirely by air travel. I hadn't really HEARD of the
Titanic and nobody among the crew mentioned that we were in the
SAME place as the Titanic was the night it went down 50 years
earlier. Maybe they weren't aware of it or it wasn't appropriate
to alert the passengers about. I didn't find that co-incidence out
for decades and doubt we would have sailed on the QM at all, let
alone that specific time had we known. Not that fate actually
works that way, but still ...

As a consequence of the Titanic sinking the USCG now monitors all ice
- burgs, flows, fields - in the North Atlantic.

That is GOOD. We sat on the deck every day (bundled up) and I never saw
any hint of an iceberg on the horizon or near us.

Also all ships have

Post by Sarah Ehrett
since been required to have 24/7 a manned radio room. As everyone
knows the Titanic's radio room was manned the night of April 15th,
1912 and SOS's were sent by her Radio operators. The one ship which
could have come to her aid in time, The California, had shut down her
radio operations at midnight and didn't hear Titanic's messages
asking for assistance.

I pretty much have read that. Human error of some kind as so many
disasters are.

Post by Karen
I researched and read up on the Titanic and followed some VERY
interesting posts on the ng. Then I saw the "Titanic" movie in a
big theatre and when it was over, everyone just sat rigidly in
their seats and many were weeping...like me. Then little by little
we departed the theatre with our heads down...feeling stunned. I
felt especially sad because I experienced an ocean voyage so very
much like that and could almost feel what it must have been like
for those poor terrified and doomed people. I since have purchased
the VHS tape but never have watched it. Long film and a
heart-wrenching one for me. But I intend to watch it....!

I think most people who see the recent Titanic movie feel the same way.

I'm sure they did when the movie hit the theatres and the big screen. I
was disoriented when the film ended and could hardly realize where I was
for a few moments. I don't expect that could happen on my TV screen
watching a VHS tape while lying in my bed. And that's why I don't like
watching movies at home. The experience is so much better in a BIG
movie theatre (which are becoming rare). All distractions vanish in a
big, dark theatre for me and I can enjoy a good cry if necessary. That
never happens at home for me ...

I've seen the movie a dozen times plus I have the soundtrack -

Post by Sarah Ehrett
beautiful and haunting music.

I must watch the film again soon. It will be rather a new experience
because I've experienced the artifacts exibit since seeing the film soon
after it was released to theatres.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
My favorite movie about the Titanic is the 1958 movie entitled A
Night To Remember , based on the book by the same name.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051994/

I saw that film somewhere in the past (since 1962) but would't mind
seeing it again.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
British Actor Kenneth Moore plays Second Officer Charles Lightoller,
who again showed great courage on the water during WW II when he and
his son sailed their private sloop back and forth during the
evacuation of the BEF from the beach at Dunkirk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation

Post by Karen
The Titanic artifacts traveling exhibition was in Seattle a few
years ago and I went over to see it. Excellent. I touched a piece
of the actual hull and touched a wall of ice replicating an iceberg.
Incredibly cold and soon painful to my hand.
I think Robert Ballard is remarkable for what he accomplished.

Ballard got to do what he did because of the US Navy. Ballard did
the Navy a favor and then called in a return favor so he could
utilize Navy resources to locate Titanic.

Wasn't he based at Woods Hole when setting out to find the Titanic? I
am somewhat familiar with Woods Hole because we stayed overnight there
on a trip to visit New England in 1970. I like many things about the
New England states and considered moving there instead of here, but
realized here would be much better for me for several reasons....weather
being one of them.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
But as

Post by Karen
for disturbing the site, perhaps too much of that has been done
already, but otoh, I'm extremely curious. Some actual jewelry,
coins, dishes and shoes, etc. have been recovered and are on
display in the exhibition(s). I'm fascinated, a bit repulsed and
quite saddened. It's a vivid walk back into history (a subject I
usually am not much interested in).

I am on the same page as Ballard in that I believe the Titanic is a
grave site and as such should not be disturbed and artifacts should
not been removed. I understand people's curiosity and I too have
viewed pictures and read the articles covering subsequent teams who
have found and brought up items for display.

I agree also. There has been more brought up than maybe there should
have but it's also a learning experience to view and touch some of it.
Not necessary to drag up anymore just because it is possible to do so.
Take PICTURES but let the site physically rest in peace.

Post by Karen
You no doubt have seen one or more of the exhibitions living near
the Atlantic as you always have. I relate to the Great Lakes more
than the oceans...

And to the loss of The Edmund Fitzgerald. To me taking steel from
Titanic's hull to make jewelry is the same as desecrating a grave site.

Lake Superior is a very treacherous body of water, especially in winter.
Lake Michigan contains a great many sucken vessels, too. I had a
harrowing experience on Lake Michigan myself and know it's not a lake to
take casually.

I did not know that steel from the Titanic's hull has been used to make
jewelry...has that actually been done or just proposed? I bought
earrings at the exhibit's gift shop that were replicas of some of the
jewelry at the time and they are lovely. But they aren't "part" of the
Titanic.
Loading Image...

Here is the front and inside of the last Christmas greeting I received
from (my "shipboard romance") the RMS Queen Mary "Vic". He and his
wife, Linda, live at Portmouth near Southampton. He was born and grew
up on the Isle of Wight.

Loading Image...

Loading Image...

Post by Sarah Ehrett
until I moved here where salt water and tides are part of life.

Post by Karen
I can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I put out
for the neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet twice a
day when the tide goes out. Why do they want stale bread...that I
have to buy?

Seagulls are scavengers. They'll eat anything.

I know. About the only thing they won't eat is birdseed. They gulp
down everything else and don't seem to care what it is. I doubt they
taste it.

I will check out the links you provided above. Thanks. My interest in
the Titanic lapses at times and I don't seek any further information but
then something triggers my interest anew. It will always be fascinating
to me...

Sarah Ehrett

2009-01-02 22:00:11 UTC

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:50:58 GMT, "Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote:

:>In news:***@4ax.com,
:>Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> tapped out:
:>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:13:46 GMT, "Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote:
:>>
:>>>> In news:***@4ax.com,
:>>>> Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> tapped out:
:>>>>
:>>>>>> And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a
:>>>>>> buff
:>>>>> for a long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has long
:>>>>> since died.
:>>>>
:>>>> Thanks for your offer, whether or not it is genuine. I'm sure you
:>>>> can understand that I have no intention of ever emailing you, nor
:>>>> have I ever done so in the past. There is zero trust between us
:>>>> and I don't see that ever changing.
:>>
:>> Well Karen, you did email me way back when
:>
:>NO, I did NOT and until you can ACCEPT that someone we both know is 99%
:>likely to have been the one to forge my name and stop making accusations
:>you cannot support with any kind of actual evidence, the best we can do
:>is avoid each other in certain areas. I don't care what abuse you want
:>to dish out to others. I'll never say a word. Just don't direct it at
:>ME.

Karen, I agreed to the cessation of hostilities just as Pirate John agreed
to them and we have both held to our word. I've watched you, Lumpy, and
Gaspar continue to make comments, and neither I nor John have responded in
kind. You made the first comment here regarding the past email, your words
effectively called me a liar. If you cannot control yourself from making
these sorts of remarks then you're going to get a response countering your
position.

:>but rest assured as before
:>> I have never offered you the option of emailing me. Keep it civil
:>> and keep it on the group. I don't think anyone will object to a
:>> discussion on the Titanic.
:>
:>I misunderstood. I thought you wanted me to email you because you
:>certainly don't want me or anybody connected to me to continue posting
:>on your group. I believe I have as MUCH right as anybody to post where
:>I please on USENET so I will stop posting here when I choose to.

Antu is a flame group Karen. You cannot come into a group and dictate
what is discussed here simply because your sensitivities get hurt. I have
said to you, Lumpy, and Gaspar to take your fight with Gilmer out of antu.
You've driven off all the regular posters, which of course was your
collective intent to begin with.

When it became clear over the past week that you, and Lumpy don't want the
hostilities to end I AGAIN suggested you take it to email. No one but you
three want to read it anymore. No one wants to read your OT touchy feely
stories about your flowers and your squirrels. You're OT and outside of
the ng's stated Charter, and if you continue to post here, the regulars are
eventually going to return and you're going to get flamed. I've suggested
to you more than a few times that your best course of action therefore is
to leave and take your discussions, your analysis of John Gilmer, your
analysis of me, your analysis of your ice cube trays, etc. to email, or
start your own Google Group or whatever.

I
:>obviously am very able to be CIVIL if I'm offered the same first.

You *were* offered it first. I immediately stepped up and agreed to the
call for peace in the group and have abided by it. You bobbed and weaved
making excuses and to my knowledge still haven't agreed to the truce
instead writing paragraph after paragraph trying to explain away your
behavior is because of the actions of another. If you cannot control
yourself enough to act on your own best interest and behave in a mature
civilized manner, then take it elsewhere and leave the rest of us who are
regular posters to the group to flame and have fun here.

<snip>

:>>>>
:>>>> I think Robert Ballard is remarkable for what he accomplished.
:>>
:>> Ballard got to do what he did because of the US Navy. Ballard did
:>> the Navy a favor and then called in a return favor so he could
:>> utilize Navy resources to locate Titanic.
:>
:>Wasn't he based at Woods Hole when setting out to find the Titanic?

At the time Ballard was a Commander in the US Navy.

:>> I am on the same page as Ballard in that I believe the Titanic is a
:>> grave site and as such should not be disturbed and artifacts should
:>> not been removed. I understand people's curiosity and I too have
:>> viewed pictures and read the articles covering subsequent teams who
:>> have found and brought up items for display.
:>
:>I agree also. There has been more brought up than maybe there should
:>have but it's also a learning experience to view and touch some of it.

Honest question. What do you thing anyone will learn by touching any of
the Titanic relics? I understand why scientists might like to test
Titanic's steel for tensile strength and chemical composition since it has
come into question re: did Titanic;s steel shatter fail.

:>Not necessary to drag up anymore just because it is possible to do so.
:>Take PICTURES but let the site physically rest in peace.

Agreed.

:>>>> You no doubt have seen one or more of the exhibitions living near
:>>>> the Atlantic as you always have. I relate to the Great Lakes more
:>>>> than the oceans...
:>>
:>> And to the loss of The Edmund Fitzgerald. To me taking steel from
:>> Titanic's hull to make jewelry is the same as desecrating a grave
:>> site.
:>
:>Lake Superior is a very treacherous body of water, especially in winter.
:>Lake Michigan contains a great many sucken vessels, too. I had a
:>harrowing experience on Lake Michigan myself and know it's not a lake to
:>take casually.
:>
:>I did not know that steel from the Titanic's hull has been used to make
:>jewelry...has that actually been done or just proposed?

Already been done. Necklaces and watch cases have been fashioned from some
of the steel recovered from the bottom.

I bought
:>earrings at the exhibit's gift shop that were replicas of some of the
:>jewelry at the time and they are lovely. But they aren't "part" of the
:>Titanic.
:>http://www.fototime.com/847B7A4C1A47A5B/medium.jpg

The picture is a bit small but they look very pretty. Is that a blue stone
in the center?

:>Here is the front and inside of the last Christmas greeting I received
:>from (my "shipboard romance") the RMS Queen Mary "Vic". He and his
:>wife, Linda, live at Portmouth near Southampton. He was born and grew
:>up on the Isle of Wight.
:>
:>http://www.fototime.com/76304C36D49EC81/medium.jpg
:>http://www.fototime.com/D51931A812686A9/medium.jpg

Again, very small pictures but thanks for sharing. I always found it odd
that the Brits and even my rellies in CanaDUH say/write " Happy Christmas"
rather than Merry Christmas.

:>> until I moved here where salt water and tides are part of life.
:>>>> I can't keep the pesky seagulls from stealing the bread I put out
:>>>> for the neighbor's crows. They have a fresh seafood buffet twice a
:>>>> day when the tide goes out. Why do they want stale bread...that I
:>>>> have to buy?
:>>
:>> Seagulls are scavengers. They'll eat anything.
:>
:>I know. About the only thing they won't eat is birdseed. They gulp
:>down everything else and don't seem to care what it is. I doubt they
:>taste it.
:>
:>I will check out the links you provided above. Thanks. My interest in
:>the Titanic lapses at times and I don't seek any further information but
:>then something triggers my interest anew. It will always be fascinating
:>to me...

Well if you'd like to continue discussing it I'd be happy. :)

Otherwise, cheers and please take it to heart my suggestion that you move
on to a newsgroup or area more suited to your type of discussion. Antu
really is not the place if you don't want to get flamed.

Karen

2009-01-02 22:42:52 UTC

Post by Sarah Ehrett
And if you ever want to discuss the Titanic LMK. I was quite a buff

for a long time, even knew a survivor , Marshall Drew who has
long since died.

Well Karen, you did email me way back when

NO, I did NOT and until you can ACCEPT that someone we both know is
99% likely to have been the one to forge my name and stop making
accusations you cannot support with any kind of actual evidence,
the best we can do is avoid each other in certain areas. I don't
care what abuse you want to dish out to others. I'll never say a
word. Just don't direct it at ME.

Karen, I agreed to the cessation of hostilities just as Pirate John
agreed to them and we have both held to our word. I've watched you,
Lumpy, and Gaspar continue to make comments, and neither I nor John
have responded in kind. You made the first comment here regarding
the past email, your words effectively called me a liar.

I did NOT do what you keep accusing me of and I've explained what I'm
quite sure happened. If you can't accept that, then just DROP it. I
believe you ARE lying since you can't produce any actual evidence. You
see whatever you want to see and refuse to believe anything you don't
want to believe. Is that picture you posted for so long actually ME?
You obviously want everybody to think it is. You are just trying now to
sweep a lot under the rug and claim the high road. I don't believe it
will LAST for you or Gilmer, but I'm willing to watch and see.
Experience tells me otherwise. Hope I'm wrong now. It's not looking
good where you're concerned. I have known for a long time how agreeable
and pleasant Gilmer can be when he wants to for whatever reason.

I didn't see you ceasing hostilities when you posted the legal site
about my sending PORN pictures through the mail and that I had committed
a crime. If he couldn't get around to reporting his "crimes" I
supposedly committed till nothing could be done about it, you needn't be
pointing something like this out NOW. "Backing Off" doesn't necessarily
mean we ALL stopped at the same time. Don't keep throwing out snipes at
me and then trying to act innocent, Sarah. I will counter you. You
chose to interfere in John's and my personal business in the first
place...long time ago.

If you

Post by Sarah Ehrett
cannot control yourself from making these sorts of remarks then
you're going to get a response countering your position.

Exactly how I feel about you. Odd how that works, eh?

Post by Karen
but rest assured as before

Post by Sarah Ehrett
I have never offered you the option of emailing me. Keep it civil
and keep it on the group. I don't think anyone will object to a
discussion on the Titanic.

I misunderstood. I thought you wanted me to email you because you
certainly don't want me or anybody connected to me to continue
posting on your group. I believe I have as MUCH right as anybody
to post where I please on USENET so I will stop posting here when I
choose to.

Antu is a flame group Karen. You cannot come into a group and
dictate what is discussed here simply because your sensitivities get
hurt. I have said to you, Lumpy, and Gaspar to take your fight with
Gilmer out of antu. You've driven off all the regular posters, which
of course was your collective intent to begin with.

Absolutely NOT mine. You are the only female here and I majorly
threaten you by being here tho I have no interest in a "flame group"
which I don't understand to begin with. There is flaming on most all of
Usenet groups but those not involved continue on or kill-file those they
don't want to read. Why can you rule this group and declare it is all
about the abuse you care to dish out to others? I still don't
understand the POINT of what you are doing. You don't WANT to be civil
to others, especially me. I am trying, but you have a chip on your
shoulder about me. I really have no need to try to "make friends" with
you. Just LEAVE ME ALONE and go back to your usual exchanges with the
group members. I won't get involved at all. It's so boring and
meaningless anyway. Juvenile. Could you possibly kill-file me?

I have asked Gregory, Lumpy, and Gilmer to EMAIL me, but they refuse and
prefer to talk openly here. I can understand their attitude. If they
want to point me elsewhere to chat, that would be more than fine with
me. I will set up a Yahoo Group and either moderate it or one of them
can. But you and Ken won't be allowed to participate or I will pull the
plug on the group. I already own and moderate another Yahoo group. No
crapola or abuse of ANY kind allowed ... I guess it could be called a
NON-FLAME group.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
When it became clear over the past week that you, and Lumpy don't
want the hostilities to end I AGAIN suggested you take it to email.
No one but you three want to read it anymore. No one wants to read
your OT touchy feely stories about your flowers and your squirrels.

Raccoons are not squirrels. Squirrels are rodents and raccoons are
related to bears. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about
that.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
You're OT and outside of the ng's stated Charter, and if you continue
to post here, the regulars are eventually going to return and you're
going to get flamed. I've suggested to you more than a few times
that your best course of action therefore is to leave and take your
discussions, your analysis of John Gilmer, your analysis of me, your
analysis of your ice cube trays, etc. to email, or start your own
Google Group or whatever.

I would be MORE than glad to get away from here ... and you. You just
can't be CIVIL and the least bit FEMININE. I would like our
conversations to be archived at Google, however, so perhaps I need to
set up a moderated Usenet group.

Post by Sarah Ehrett
I

Post by Karen
obviously am very able to be CIVIL if I'm offered the same first.

You *were* offered it first. I immediately stepped up and agreed to
the call for peace in the group and have abided by it. You bobbed
and weaved making excuses and to my knowledge still haven't agreed to
the truce instead writing paragraph after paragraph trying to explain
away your behavior is because of the actions of another. If you
cannot control yourself enough to act on your own best interest and
behave in a mature civilized manner, then take it elsewhere and leave
the rest of us who are regular posters to the group to flame and have
fun here.

Flaming, abusing, lying about others is FUN to you. That is pathetic.
Believe me, I AM acting in my own (and selected others) best interest.
You simply don't know what is/has been going on. Are you suggesting
that YOU are a model for me as to what "mature and civilized" looks
like?? My God.

<snipped with no need to comment>

I want to continue conversations with Lumpy, Greg Hall and Jose Gaspar.
I think I will just kill-file everybody else and only read and reply to
what they write. You can abuse and get into the real lives of whoever
you want to and I won't know it. HTH...

Starting with you, Sarah: *plonk*

Sarah Ehrett

2009-01-03 02:23:37 UTC

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:42:52 GMT, "Karen" <***@nospam.wa> wrote:

:>I would be MORE than glad to get away from here ... and you.

Thank you. That seems the best move you can make Karen. Everyone should
be happy with your decision. You don't understand the purpose of flame
groups and obviously don't belong in a flame group.

Hopefully this time you'll actually follow through with your declaration
and leave once and for all. :)

Puma

2009-01-03 15:35:52 UTC

Post by Sarah Ehrett
:>I would be MORE than glad to get away from here ... and you.
Thank you. That seems the best move you can make Karen. Everyone should
be happy with your decision. You don't understand the purpose of flame
groups and obviously don't belong in a flame group.
Hopefully this time you'll actually follow through with your declaration
and leave once and for all. :)

Wanna bet?

Sarah Ehrett

2008-12-30 03:54:31 UTC

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:26:44 -0500, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:

Nice try Gregory.

Not a bad job at forging my headers.
X-Complaints-To: ***@easynews.com

Wave bye-bye to your account.

:>Path: forte-easynews!core-iad-easynews!news-in-02-iad.easynews.com!s03-b02.iad01!nx01.iad.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia!news.alt.net!Path: alt.net.feed!news.glorb.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!core-easynews!easynews.com!easynews!en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com.POSTED!alt.net!not-for-mail
:>From: Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net>
:>Newsgroups: alt.nuke.the.usa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.usenet.kooks
:>Subject: I can be a lot nicer
:>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:26:44 -0500
:>Organization: Forte Inc. http://www.forteinc.com/apn/
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:>Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
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:>X-Alter-Ego: Ken
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:>
:>There's talk about a truce between kow :-) Karen and Rob and John. I
:>think maybe I should also offer an apology to Karen. The more I think
:>about it the more I realize I've been acting like a spoiled brat. I
:>guess it's just gotten to be a habit because I don't really hate Karen
:>at all but I can't seem to help calling her awful names.
:>
:>I'm sorry. I'll try to do better in the future. If the guys can
:>swallow their pride so can I. Actually, being a woman, I should be the
:>one setting the example. Maybe it is time all this feuding stops.
:>
:>And, thank you Gregory Hall for putting a sane outlook on all of this.
:>Five years is way too long to keep acting like a borish child.

Lumpy

2008-12-30 04:32:46 UTC

Nice try Gregory.
Not a bad job at forging my headers.
Wave bye-bye to your account.
:>Path: forte-easynews!core-iad-easynews!news-in-02-iad.easynews.com!s03-b02.iad01!nx01.iad.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia!news.alt.net!Path: alt.net.feed!news.glorb.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!core-easynews!easynews.com!easynews!en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com.POSTED!alt.net!not-for-mail
:>Newsgroups: alt.nuke.the.usa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.usenet.kooks
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For Google poserity.

X-Alter-Ego: Ken

HAWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

love it. Wish Nick was here.

Sarah Ehrett

2008-12-30 10:17:08 UTC

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:32:46 -0800 (PST), Lumpy <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

:>On Dec 29, 7:54 pm, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:26:44 -0500, Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>>
:>> Nice try Gregory.
:>>
:>> Not a bad job at forging my headers.
:>> X-Complaints-To: ***@easynews.com
:>>
:>> Wave bye-bye to your account.
:>>
:>> :>Path: forte-easynews!core-iad-easynews!news-in-02-iad.easynews.com!s03-b02.iad01!nx01.iad.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia!news.alt.net!Path: alt.net.feed!news.glorb.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!core-easynews!easynews.com!easynews!en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com.POSTED!alt.net!not-for-mail
:>> :>From: Sarah Ehrett <***@cox.net>
:>> :>Newsgroups: alt.nuke.the.usa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.usenet.kooks
:>> :>Subject: I can be a lot nicer
:>> :>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:26:44 -0500
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:>> :>X-Alter-Ego: Ken
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:>> :>X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
:>
:>For Google poserity.

"poserity" ?

You dumb ass. And more Google "poserity"

:>X-Alter-Ego: Ken
:>
:>HAWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
:>
:>love it. Wish Nick was here.

He'll read it.

Yo Junkman! Your boyfriend misses you. :)

Lumpy

2008-12-30 14:52:18 UTC

"poserity" ?
You dumb ass. And more Google "poserity"

Blush. I got my first spelling lame. I have arrived.

Arne Saknussen

2008-12-30 18:06:34 UTC