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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People will be dreaming up phantom connections between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Simpson's butchery and unrelated events for another forty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Only the wimpiest of wimps would want to kill himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because of being accused of something he didn't do. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>highly competitive guy like Simpson wouldn't even think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>such a thing. That's only a fact, not evidence, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>closer to being evidence than anything you Simpson thralls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have ever presented.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Bob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We know you think OJ did it !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The discussion about Wasz can be speculation. It does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have to refer to the murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you believe any part of the Wasz story ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Remember that Wasz was caught in Paula's car !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mike, I don't (think) OJ did it, I know that he did it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Parts of Wasz's story could very well be true. Unfortunately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kardashian can't tell us his version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bobaugust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The biggest part of Wasz story that seems to be untrue is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>naming of Kardashian as the person who hired him. There is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lot more to the Wasz story than what was told by Bosco and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bresnahan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I wonder what people would think of the Wasz story if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>knew that Wasz had partied with Faye Resnick at Nicole's house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when Nicole lived on Greta Green, How hard would it be for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>con to get Nicole's , OJ's and maybe Kardashian's number if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wasz was at Nicole's house? Was the number he had the Gretna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Green number or the Bundy number?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then the story has Wasz being told to kill Nicole at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockingham not Greta Green. He was asked to do this on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1/14/94. It seems Wasz was not aware that Nicole made the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>purchase of Bundy on 1/6/94 and moved in on the 15th. He stole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paula's car on 1/24/04 after Nicole had already moved. Kato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>moved to Rockingham on 1/7/94 (the 2nd day of the surveilance-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with no mention of a guy moving out) and Nicole was mad at OJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for Kato moving. It is unlikely she would have stayed at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockingham when she was mad at OJ, so why was the plan to kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>her there. Who ever hired Wasz did not know she had moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Wasz did not know either when he named Kardashian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there are the notes he made. All the times he supposedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>followed Nicole was on the hour or half hour. Who lives like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that? It reads more like someone's schedule, which is the name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it gave it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The one thing that is true is someone wanted people to think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nicole was being followed and stalked. You have three people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>supposedly being asked to follow her, Wasz, Mario Nitrini and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pellicano. Wasz figured he was being set up to be a patsy. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who was planning the murder for hire scheme on Nicole in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>January?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then you have someone looking like Nicole at a lab getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OJ's blood with Faye Resnick in the months before the murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I wonder if anyone would find it interesting that Wasz's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attorney wore Bruno Maglis?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now Wasz is dead, just as he was going to talk to people about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his involvement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Petrocelli knew all about Wasz, Mario and probably Pelicano
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but he buried it, just like others have. Pretend all you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>want, Bob, but both you and Petrocelli knew all about Mario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Wasz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rose, everything you wrote may or may not be true. Regardless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is all completely irrelevant to the murders of Ron and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nicole. As to what Petrocelli knew, that's also irrelevant. As
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to what you think I knew, that's also irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We know the truth about this crime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>There is no doubt that Simpson committed both murders. Simpson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>was proved to be a liar and a killer. Proved "to a certainty"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the civil trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not only did Simpson have the means and the opportunity, all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the relevant physical evidence points to him and only him as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the killer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nothing eliminates him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>All of the witnesses, including defense witnesses tell us when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Simpson committed the murders. All of Simpson's story changes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fabrications and lies confirm his guilt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bobaugust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since OJ did not commit the murders, what I have posted here is
>>>>>>>>>>>>very relevant. It is only irrelevant to you because you and
>>>>>>>>>>>>Petrocelli have a vested interest in keeping that Civil Trial
>>>>>>>>>>>>verdict.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The truth is coming out Bob, no matter what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Rovaan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Rose, the truth of these murders has come out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Simpson killed both Ron and Nicole. There is no doubt as to that
>>>>>>>>>>>fact. At least no doubt to any normal person who possess average
>>>>>>>>>>>common sense and can understand what the facts and the evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>are in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Your previous comments are irrelevant because they pertain to
>>>>>>>>>>>events that may have or may not have happened well before the
>>>>>>>>>>>time of the actual murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The fact is that these murders were not an elaborate planned
>>>>>>>>>>>event to frame Simpson. No one knew that Simpson would not have
>>>>>>>>>>>an airtight alibi for the evening of June 12, 1994.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>bobaugust
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No one except the people watching him. Oh, and maid's car not
>>>>>>>>>>parked in driveway = maid not there. (Or did you think she walked
>>>>>>>>>>to Rockingham when she worked there?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rovaan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rose, that means nothing. Gigi always had the weekends off, but she
>>>>>>>>>was due to return Sunday evening. She knew Simpson was leaving on a
>>>>>>>>>flight that night. It was part of her job to be at Rockingham
>>>>>>>>>whenever Simpson went out of town at night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Up until 8:00 that night Simpson was still expecting Gigi to
>>>>>>>>>return.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Anyone (anyone real) planning to frame Simpson would not have
>>>>>>>>>picked a night when Simpson would be in his house with his
>>>>>>>>>housekeeper preparing to leave on a flight to go out of town.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After Simpson talked to Gigi, he told no one about that telephone
>>>>>>>>>call. Not Kaelin, Not Arnelle, and not anyone at Westec, his home
>>>>>>>>>security company. That's why the police entered Simpson's estate
>>>>>>>>>the next morning, after Westec told them the housekeeper should
>>>>>>>>>have been in the house.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just another reason, among many, why Dick's fantasy scenario
>>>>>>>>>failed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>bobaugust
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For anyone planning to frame OJ, all they needed was 20 minutes
>>>>>>>>where he had no alibi. Then they could commit the murders and make
>>>>>>>>it look like the murders happened earlier when OJ had no alibi.
>>>>>>>>Whose knows how many times they waited, watching for the right time.
>>>>>>>>Could have been twice, could have been 30 times. If for some
>>>>>>>>reason unknown to them, OJ had someone in the house with him at the
>>>>>>>>time, we would have been hearing about a "murder for hire" with OJ
>>>>>>>>hiring the murder. The trail to Wasz, Mario and Pellicano was just
>>>>>>>>laying there for dectctives to follow and a fall guy was already
>>>>>>>>picked (though I bet he didn't know it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rovaan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rose, that doesn't make any sense. These mysterious people plan to
>>>>>>>murder Nicole and frame Simpson and then if it turns out that Simpson
>>>>>>>can't be framed because he has an airtight alibi they frame someone
>>>>>>>else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since all of the relevant physical evidence at the murder scene
>>>>>>>points to Simpson and only Simpson, how does that then lead to these
>>>>>>>other people? And what if these other people who they want to frame
>>>>>>>have airtight alibis? And these geniuses were so skilled they never
>>>>>>>even left one single trace of evidence that they were there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, but the blue black cotton fibers found all over the back of
>>>>>>>Ron's shirt (from the killer's clothing) was also found on Simpson's
>>>>>>>glove and on Simpson's sock. Simpson had changed his clothes that
>>>>>>>night before going to Bundy and was wearing a dark colored sweat
>>>>>>>suit. Just coincidence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Simpson's daughter Arnelle lied in court to hide the fact that she
>>>>>>>washed a dark colored sweat suit with her clothing in the early hours
>>>>>>>the morning after the murders before the police arrived. Just
>>>>>>>coincidence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To top it off these genius killers used a knife to kill both victims,
>>>>>>>and even made it look like an amateur job by stabbing and cutting Ron
>>>>>>>over 30 times. On purpose right? Killing both victims from behind
>>>>>>>just like Simpson learned by recently playing the part of a Frogman.
>>>>>>>No gun, just a small knife. Did they also plant the large empty
>>>>>>>Swiss Army knife box in Simpson's bathroom or was that just another
>>>>>>>coincidence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And then they could make the murders look like they happened earlier?
>>>>>>>The murders happened when Simpson was at Bundy. That's what all of
>>>>>>>the witnesses tell us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No Rose, I'm sorry but the fantasy you imagine doesn't even come
>>>>>>>close to making any sense. You have the same problem Dick had. Your
>>>>>>>fantasy fails, completely contradicted by the real facts, the real
>>>>>>>evidence, and the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>bobaugust
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Rember Marcia's timeline in the criminal trial and the
>>>>>>Petrocelli's in the civil. Obviously, someone did make it look like
>>>>>>the murders were committed at a different time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. It was a small box in Simpson's bathroom, not a large one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Learning moves for a movie and actually killing someone are two
>>>>>>different things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4. It was a miltary styled hit, involving two knifes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5. Arnelle did not lie. No sweat suit collected, means no evidence of
>>>>>>what you claim. The picture taken of the washer- impossible to tell
>>>>>>what is in the washing machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>6. How do you get black-blue fibers from the black-gray sweatsuit
>>>>>>Simpson had at one time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>7. If Simpson would have had a unexpected alibi. The killer would
>>>>>>have been black, about Simpson's height, with a connection to Nicole
>>>>>>and Simpson and a reason to frame OJ. Does Shipp ring a bell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you are willing to talk about Wasz, Mario and others without just
>>>>>>dismissing them, I will continue to try to explain things to you.
>>>>>>Since I know you will just avoid what I write and dismiss it offhand,
>>>>>>declaring OJ the kiler, it is a waste of my time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why don't you ask Petrocelli why he covered up Wasz and Mario? What
>>>>>>was he afraid of? Post real answers. Contact Ron Ito (LAPD) and ask
>>>>>>him about Mario? Ask why Mario was almost beaten to death to get him
>>>>>>to stop talking about what he knew?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are just a plant in this newsgroup to spew out the same
>>>>>>prosecution spin that we have heard for years. Spin away but it won't
>>>>>>stop the truth from coming out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rovaan
>>>>>
>>>>>Rose, wow not only are you wrong, you're getting paranoid.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Marcia Clark argued the wrong time of the murders based on mistaken
>>>>>time estimates made by witnesses who were in their houses. The defense
>>>>>argued the correct time of the murders based on a witness who was
>>>>>outside Nicole's house before, during, and after the murders. In the
>>>>>civil trial Petrocelli used this defense witness to establish when the
>>>>>murders were committed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Marcia argued her time based on witnesses that were closest to the
>>>>scene. So whether the murders were committed at 10:15 or 10:30, you have
>>>>someone
>>>>doing something to cause people to think they were committed earlier.
>>>>That was my point. We had a whole trial based on an earlier time of the
>>>>murders. Do you think someone deliberately tried to confused the issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2. "Large" is a relative term. The Swiss Army Knife box that was seen
>>>>>and photographed on the edge of Simpson's bathtub in his master
>>>>>bathroom, was "empty, but meant to package one of the large Swiss Army
>>>>>knives."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It was the size box that would contain the kind of Swiss Army knife
>>>>>that was consistent with making every wound on both victims. A single
>>>>>edge, 3 1/2 inch locking blade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I refer you to Dick's comment on this subject. " Most interesting to me,
>>>>Joe commented on the big deal that Fuhrman made in his book about the
>>>>"empty Swiss Army knife box" found in Simpson's bathroom. However, the
>>>>box was not of a size to make a comfortable fit for the knife (though it
>>>>could have physically fit in it) and the box did not have any Swiss Army
>>>>markings on it. In fact, Bosco heard from his police informants, it was
>>>>just "a box," and it could have been used to hold any small personal
>>>>item -- jewelry, coins, keys, dope, etc. The most that we can say with
>>>>confidence is that in his haste, probably at some time after 10:00
>>>>o'clock that Sunday night, Simpson took SOMETHING from this box, and
>>>>left the empty box behind. (Before hearing this, and believing that this
>>>>was definitely a Swiss Army knife box, it has always been my position
>>>>that when Simpson gave a Swiss Army knife to a Connecticut limo driver a
>>>>few weeks earlier, he might have kept the empty box for utility use.)"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And then there is Fuhrman's comment ".the Swiss army knife box, and its
>>>>clear why I couldn't testify at that point. They didn't take the knife
>>>>box..."
>>>>
>>>>It was Fuhrman's theory the knife was a 3 œ inch looking blade. Are you
>>>>believing his theory?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3. Yes, learning moves to kill for a movie is different than actually
>>>>>killing someone. That's what Simpson learned first hand. Real people
>>>>>don't die as easily as they do in the movies. Simpson stabbed and cut
>>>>>Ron over thirty times.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Goldman put up an incredible struggle, one hell of a fight. The types
>>>>>of wounds on him - the defense wounds on the hands and arms and the
>>>>>deeper thrusts to the body - show that the (killer) was doing what he
>>>>>had to strictly to kill him. He wasn't interested in punishing him or
>>>>>making a point. He was just trying to neutralize him."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why were threatening wounds found on Ron then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"By this point the offender has worked himself up into a frenzy. As
>>>>>soon as he's got Ron neutralized, which is not easy, he goes back to
>>>>>Nicole, lifts her head from behind, and cuts her throat, slicing right
>>>>>through her voice box, nearly taking her head off."
>>>>>
>>>>>"The killing of the female victim is efficient and almost military
>>>>>style along with a tremendous amount of "overkill." At the same time,
>>>>>there are disorganized elements that suggest it didn't go quite the way
>>>>>he planned, and that though he is mature, he has little, if any,
>>>>>experience in crime. There is an obvious lack of control relating to
>>>>>the male victim and evidence of panic when things didn't go quite his
>>>>>way."
>>>>>
>>>>>"The (killer) then goes back to Goldman because he has to make sure he
>>>>>finishes him off. We know he goes back because her blood is found on
>>>>>the bottom of one of Goldman's shoes. Now, this is very, very
>>>>>important, because it tells you that the offender is not a professional
>>>>>killer. This is not a hit man. He doesn't know exactly what it takes to
>>>>>kill this guy. He has to come back and check on him. He sees that
>>>>>Goldman is dying and he goes back and stabs him multiple times. In
>>>>>fact, he's actually stabbed more times than Brown, even though the
>>>>>personalized sort of attack is reserved for her. That's because even
>>>>>though she's the one he's out to punish, to revenge himself on, the
>>>>>male is the greater physical threat. That's another reason we know the
>>>>>crimes were committed by a single offender. Two or more killers would
>>>>>have been able to control the situation better. You wouldn't have the
>>>>>evidence of such a struggle on Goldman's body."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Quoting John Douglas's book. "Journey into Darkness" gives us just his
>>>>opinion.
>>>>
>>>>The attacks on Nicole and Ron are military-style initially and then
>>>>systematically made to look like a rage killing. Guess you need to do
>>>>that if you are planning to frame someone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>4. All of the wounds on both victims are consistent with being made
>>>>>with one knife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Golden said different but then he was removed because his testimony
>>>>threatened the prosecution's case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>5. Learn the facts, Rose. Arnelle's testimony was contradicted by six
>>>>>different witnesses and the facts. Four detectives, Kato Kaelin, and
>>>>>Gigi.
>>>>>
>>>>>The video tape of the clothing found in Simpson's washing machine
>>>>>showed the dark colored sweat suit along with Arnelle's clothing. The
>>>>>sweat suit and the washing machine were both examined by Dennis Fung at
>>>>>the time for blood. No blood was found, and the sweat suit was never
>>>>>collected. Later the police realized their mistake and a second search
>>>>>warrant was issued to collect the clothing. But by that time it was
>>>>>gone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have seen a picture (blurry), never a video. You can not tell there is
>>>>a sweat suit in the washing machine. Does Fung testify to the size of
>>>>this sweat suit? Did he even look at the size? It is a jump in logic to
>>>>say the black/blue fibers came from this sweat suit that was never
>>>>collected or analyzed just because you want OJ to be guilty.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>6. The sweat suit Simpson wore was dark colored, black. The blue black
>>>>>cotton fibers are consistent with that. Simpson claimed he never wore
>>>>>any sweat suit that night.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The sweat suit Kato talked about had a white strip on it and had
>>>>black/grey fibers.
>>>>
>>>>You can not get black/blue fibers from a black/grey sweat suit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>7. Ron Shipp played no part in this crime. I see that your fantasy has
>>>>>no limitations as to who it includes. I'm surprised you haven't worked
>>>>>Marcus Allen into your fantasy, but maybe that will come later, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What makes you so sure Shipp was not involved? Do you know where he was
>>>>on the night of the murders? As to Marcus Allan, wrong again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My discussions are about the facts, the evidence, and the truth about
>>>>>these murders, not irrelevant unsupported wild speculation and
>>>>>fabrication. I know very little about "Wasz, Mario and others." They
>>>>>are irrelevant to the June 12 murders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you know very little about Wasz and Mario, HOW can you know that they
>>>>are irrelevant to the June 12 murders? Why is it you think a prior plot
>>>>on Nicole's life is irrelevant? Why are you avoiding Wasz and Mario like
>>>>the plague? Could it be you know more about the situation than you are
>>>>admitting? So many things about OJ, Nicole, Ron and the people
>>>>connected to the trial came out and were discussed ad nauseum, why do
>>>>you think there is this big cover up of Wasz and Mario? Why didn't
>>>>Wasz's death get reported in the media?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Simpson was the killer. That fact is based on all of the relevant
>>>>>physical evidence, the witnesses, and Simpson's fabrications and lies.
>>>>>The only waste of time around here is from people who ignore these
>>>>>realities.
>>>>>
>>>>>No Rose, I am not a plant here. That's funny. I certainly do not
>>>>>represent the prosecution. I blame the prosecution for the criminal
>>>>>trial verdict because of the bad job they did. The civil trial was the
>>>>>real search for the truth and the truth was found.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No you parrot the civil trial attorney, Petrocelli and you are connected
>>>>to him.
>>>>
>>>>If walks like duck, talks like a duck..it is a duck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Simpson was proved to be a liar and a killer "to a certainty."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There were many people in this case proven to be liars. OJ was found
>>>>"not guilty" in the criminal trial. The only thing proven in the civil
>>>>trial was a verdict in a civil case is easy to get when the judge does
>>>>not allow the defendant to present his defense and the burden of proof
>>>>is of a lesser degree.
>>>>
>>>>Rovaan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>bobaugust
>>>
>>>Rose, the point is that the witnesses Clark used were in there houses,
>>>not outside when they heard Nicole's dog start to bark. Robert Heidstra
>>>was the closest witness outside to Nicole's dog. He is the only reliable
>>>witness who tells us when the dog started it's continuous barking.
>>>Heidstra tells us when Ron Goldman arrived at Nicole's house and yelled
>>>at Simpson. Heidstra tells us when Simpson left Nicole's house, just
>>>minutes before Shively encountered Simpson's speeding Bronco.
>>>
>>>You contradict yourself with your comments about the empty Swiss Army
>>>knife box. First you say there were no markings on it and then you end
>>>with a box that contained a Swiss Army knife that Simpson gave away.
>>>
>>>Fuhrman was very specific. He said the box had a Swiss Army logo on it.
>>>
>>>Yes I do believe Fuhrman's theory that the murder weapon was a Swiss Army
>>>lockback knife, single edged with a 3 1/2 inch locking blade, contour
>>>handle and no hilt. A knife that is consistent with making every wound
>>>on both victims.
>>>
>>>The so called "threatening" wounds was one person's opinion, not a fact.
>>>
>>>Rose, I notice that what you claim John Douglas said is not in quotes.
>>>It's obvious you are remembering wrong. I don't believe he said what you
>>>claim he said. Douglas did offer his opinion, he said,
>>>
>>>"What I'm saying," I clarify, "is that we see a lot of cases like this
>>>one and whoever did it was not a professional or experienced killer,
>>>acted alone, knew the female victim well, and had a tremendous amount of
>>>rage toward her."
>>>
>>
>> (Missed this post)
>>
>> I am not remembering wrong. I have the book. Douglas created a chapter
>> where he imagined that he had been called to give a profile on the Bundy
>> murders. What you posted is parts of what he wrote in the book and you
>> did not put quotes around the excerpts you posted. Douglas had no need
>> to put quotes around his own work in his bool. So your mumble jumble
>> about quotes is just a misdirection.
>> As I said it is just his opinion. He was not called in the case.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dr. Golden was replaced to testify in the criminal trial but it had
>>>nothing to do with his opinion about the murder weapon, it had to do with
>>>the errors in his report.
>>
>>
>> Covered
>>
>>
>>>Kato Kaelin testified as to the dark colored sweat suit Simpson was
>>>wearing that night.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You mean Marcia manipulated Kato's testimony to be a dark colored/ black
>> suit. Read it in its entriety. Dark color by the way does not equal
>> blue/black fibers. There is blue, blue/gray, blue/green, brown, black,
>> black/gray, black/green and probably many others.
>>
>>
>>>Q: What was he wearing?
>>>A: In my mind, it was the same suit, that black sweat with the white
>>>zipper and--the sharp sweat suit.
>>>Q: Black sweats?
>>>A: Black, dark colored, yeah, black.
>>>
>>>The sweat suit that was found in Simpson's washing machine were black
>>>sweats.
>>>
>>
>> No sweat suit was collected. No size of the suit was determined. There
>> was no proof that sweatsuit left any blue/black fibers in the washing
>> machine.
>>
>>
>>>The second search warrant that was issued to look for the clothing
>>>described specifically "black cotton type sweat suit".
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if they searched Arnelle's clothing? Maybe she owned a black
>> sweat suit that she washed with her clothes.
>>
>>
>>>The blue black cotton fibers found all over the back of Goldman's shirt,
>>>on Simpson's right hand glove, and on Simpson's socks are consistent with
>>>what Kaelin saw Simpson wearing and the sweat suit that was found in
>>>Simpson's washing machine.
>>>
>>
>> Not enough infomration to know that.
>>
>>
>>>Fuhrman explained what happened when the dark colored sweat suit was
>>>removed and examined by Dennis Fung for traces of blood. Arnelle's
>>>clothing found in the washing machine were all white. It was all video
>>>taped. The photograph made from the video tape only shows the clothing
>>>in the washing machine.
>>
>>
>> Let me get this straight. They took a black sweat suit recently washed
>> out of the washing machine and then proceeded to photo the washing
>> machine and not the sweat suit?
>>
>>>Neither Ron Shipp. Marcus Allen, or anyone other than Simpson was
>>>involved in this crime. There is not one shred of relevant physical
>>>evidence that points to anyone except Simpson.
>>>
>>>Wasz, Mario, and any other person you can dream up was not involved in
>>>the murders of Ron and Nicole. There is not one shred of of relevant
>>>physical evidence that points to anyone except Simpson.
>>
>>
>> Most of it was covered up.
>>
>>>Simpson was found "not guilty" in the criminal trial despite all of the
>>>evidence that proved him guilty. The predominately black female jury
>>>listened to Johnnie Cochran and exercised their right of jury
>>>nullification to send a message to the LAPD.
>>
>>
>> They said the prosecution did not prove their case.
>>
>>
>>>The civil trial was the real search for the truth. New evidence was
>>>presented and more importantly Simpson testified. Simpson was proven to
>>>be a liar and a killer. Petrocelli told the jury he would prove
>>>Simpson's guilt using a higher standard than what was required and that's
>>>exactly what he did.
>>
>>
>> I saw a tape of Juror #5. She stunned me with her lack of ability to
>> think.
>>
>>>"Simpson's guilt was not proved merely by clear and convincing evidence,
>>>which is yet another burden of proof. Simpson's guilt was not proved
>>>merely by proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard of
>>>proof that applies in criminal cases. Simpson's guilt was proved to a
>>>certainty!"
>>>
>>
>> Quoting Petrocelli, your buddy, I see. No wonder you can not address any
>> information about a frame up. Your buddy would lose his civil case win.
>> But the case was never about money, right?
>>
>> Rovaan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>bobaugust
>>>
>>
>
> Rose, I see you can quote (inaccurately) John Douglas but when I quote him
> using quotation marks it's just "mumble jumble". Funny.
I will use this to rest my case. If anyone wants to check back, I never
quoted John Douglas. Bob August did in his post of 6/23/05. Read the above
statement and see if it makes sense to you. It makes about as much sense as
the rest of his contrived story about Simpson.
Keep posting your same old, same old. The truth is coming out to challenge
what you think is reality.
>
> You did not quote what Douglas said, you made up your own interpretation
> of what you think he said. and you are wrong.
>
> Kaelin was consistent every time he testified as to what he saw Simpson
> wearing the night of the murders. In fact the dark colored sweat suit was
> the only clothing he remembered.
>
> Blue black cotton fibers are consistent with a black or dark colored sweat
> suit. Dark clothing is not made from only one color. Different color
> fibers contribute to the different shades of dark clothing.
>
> There doesn't have to be proof of fibers in the washing machine. The fact
> is that there was a dark colored sweat suit found in Simpson's washing
> machine along with Arnelle's white clothing.
>
> Given a choice, do you wash your whites with dark colors?
>
> There were no photographs made of the clothing in Simpson's washing
> machine there was only a video tape made.
>
> Your claim that police covered up evidence is as lame and unsupported as
> all of your fantasy claims, Rose.
>
> The predominately black female jury used excuses to disregard all of the
> relevant physical evidence that proves Simpson guilty. Their intention
> was to send a message to the LAPD about how the police have mistreated the
> black community. And that is what they did, despite the evidence.
>
> You were stunned by a juror? Wow. What about your ability not to think?
> How about the criminal trial juror who said, "I knew he was innocent from
> the beginning." Did that stun you?
>
> The civil trial was the real search for the truth and the truth was found.
> Simpson was not framed. Simpson was proved to be a liar and a killer "to
> a certainty".
>
> Simpson couldn't be sent to jail where he belongs for killing two people,
> the only recourse was money. That's why the judgment was so large.
>
> bobaugust
>
>
>